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manupod 11-28-2007 12:48 AM

Ruh- roh
 
Villain is 22/18/3.5 and I'm at about 22/15/3

I really hate repopping hands like KQ and AJ here but I did it versus this dude expecting a lot of folds, a few shoves and no calls. So obviously he calls.

$200 stacks, 6 handed

folded to button he makes it $8, I make it $26 w/ AJo in the BB he calls.

Flop comes A94 w/ 94 of clubs, I have none. I c/c a $35 bet. (Flop help? Bet/call hoping to get bluff raised? Can I rule out better As from pf action?)

Turn is an offsuit 7, he bets 2/3 pot and I just c/shove for like $50

I'm not sure this is good on any street, but I had these spots. Am I just supposed to b/c the flop?

Speedlimits 11-28-2007 12:52 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
bet-call flop is standard line.

Since you're OOP you have to play this hand fairly straight forward.

although bet flop/check turn/shove river is a good line too.

Paul Thomson 11-28-2007 12:52 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
i check call the flop. and check fold the turn unless i have a note that says he can double barrell in a 3-bet pot.

manupod 11-28-2007 12:53 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
For the record, I didn't b/c flop because I thought that it folds too much and if he has a better Ace he stacks me anyway and a worse one I'm going to get him. But I wanted to max value against non-A hands. So do we think we get more action from a worse hand when we b/c and get bluff raised or when we check and give him rope, is I guess the question.

il_martilo 11-28-2007 12:55 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
Since villian doesn't suck, i wouldn't think we are ahead often when he bets the turn. That said, I don't think this is a bad line and I'm not sure I have a good enough grasp of his range to fold here.

Speedlimits 11-28-2007 12:56 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
For the record, I didn't b/c flop because I thought that it folds too much and if he has a better Ace he stacks me anyway and a worse one I'm going to get him. But I wanted to max value against non-A hands. So do we think we get more action from a worse hand when we b/c and get bluff raised or when we check and give him rope, is I guess the question.

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Yeah I think thats the question. You are betting this flop with a huge range though so villain will most likely peel with 10s-Ks and weaker aces obv. checking turn is decent because it induces bets and might get an underpair to call a river shove if its checked through.

Chaos_ult 11-28-2007 01:01 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
I like your line I think.

What do you think his range looks like when he bets the turn?

nuggetz87 11-28-2007 01:05 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
this looks good. betting the flop sucks.

nazahl 11-28-2007 01:10 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
[ QUOTE ]
i check call the flop. and check fold the turn unless i have a note that says he can double barrell in a 3-bet pot.

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agreed

Chaos_ult 11-28-2007 01:16 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
When you check/call the flop, It really looks like you have < top pair here unless you're regularly checkraising this guy in 3-bet pots. Against an aggressive player who's capable of just betting the majority of his range when checked to on these flops, I really like OP's line. Agreed that check/call, check/fold is much more standard, and the line I'm taking against most unknowns.

jk3a 11-28-2007 01:43 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
c/c, c/f is stupid because we've underrepped our hand. How many of you have notes on guys that say "will double barrel 3bet pots" anyway. Seriously, wtf. If you're not comfortable felting Axx flops or Jxx flops with your hand, then don't 3bet pf. It's that [censored] simple.

OP, your line is fine, sorry you got stacked.

Paul Thomson 11-28-2007 01:46 AM

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c/c, c/f is stupid because we've underrepped our hand. How many of you have notes on guys that say "will double barrel 3bet pots" anyway. Seriously, wtf. If you're not comfortable felting Axx flops or Jxx flops with your hand, then don't 3bet pf. It's that [censored] simple.

OP, your line is fine, sorry you got stacked.

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how do u not have that note for villains? wtf?

vancouverspecial 11-28-2007 01:52 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
if you are 3betting any potentially dominated hands for value, getting it in is mandatory once you hit. Especially with all the floating, and calling light bvb

..imo

Speedlimits 11-28-2007 02:04 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
disregard everything ive said in this thread nh

Chaos_ult 11-28-2007 02:15 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
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If you're not comfortable felting Axx flops with your hand, then don't 3bet pf


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Does this wisdom still apply if op has A3?

BDaws 11-28-2007 02:22 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
Why didn't you expect a PF call? Was it based solely on his PF stats or other reads you had on him?

I think this is played fine.

Dire 11-28-2007 02:46 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
[ QUOTE ]
c/c, c/f is stupid because we've underrepped our hand. How many of you have notes on guys that say "will double barrel 3bet pots" anyway. Seriously, wtf. If you're not comfortable felting Axx flops or Jxx flops with your hand, then don't 3bet pf. It's that [censored] simple.

OP, your line is fine, sorry you got stacked.

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QFT

shpanko 11-28-2007 03:29 AM

Re: Ruh- roh
 
top pair of aces in a 3-bet pot is the nuts. c/c flop is fine, c/r flop is actually maybe even a little better because it looks so bluffy that I bet a ton of high pairs call lol.

Just don't fold at any point. I like the way you played it nh


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