So I followed a fish up in stakes
 

This guy luckboxed 1k at a NL .5/1 table yesterday playing 44/7/1 over 700 hands. People kept bluffing off their money to him and he kept calling with crap and winning.

This table was really soft and I wonder if I really butchered this hand, in terms of extracting value. I thought about it afterwards and I didnt like it. Thoughts? Have in mind that we are facing morons.


SB: $160.90 (37/5/1.5)
BB: $454.55 (50/2/0.75)
UTG: $388.78 (44/7/1)
Hero (MP): $467.70
CO: $394
BTN: $412.80

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16</font>, BB calls $12, UTG calls $12, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($64) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $16</font>, BB calls $16, <font color="red">UTG raises to $32</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $92</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $60

Turn: ($280) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $196</font>, UTG folds

Results: $280 Pot
Hero mucked 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and WON $472.50 (+$364.50 NET)

Re: So I followed a fish up in stakes
 

iso raise pre for sure

i think flatting his minraise or making a bigger raise are both better than making it 92 on the flop

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If I raise more, how much?

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I think pretty near pot is reasonable.

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well the thing is, no matter what you do its going to look a bit odd and or strong. I think id probably flatcall tbh, hope one of these other guys shove a set/2pr or a draw. If we raise i kinda like a shove or making it like 200ish. It seems like UTG is stationy so he will probably put us on a draw and call with TP.

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nah shove is better

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I think this is a hand where we want as much moneys in as possible on the flop. Obviously he's a station, and we want to get money in when he has top pair before any scarecards come.

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nice avatar sir

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nice avatar sir

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thanks, you too.

Re: So I followed a fish up in stakes
 

I'm not too fond of playing this spot incredibly fast. Fish seem to be scared of two things, flushes and aces. He may scamper off with a lone pair if you play this too fast.And for all you know, he may actually be making a 'play' with Q or K of diamonds, in which case another diamond actually isn't a scare card but the card he's fishing for. I would probably call the flop, planning to raise alot of turns unless it looked like somebody else was going to get the money in for us. It's completely transparent, but it doesn't matter against this type of player.

As played I make it $120 on the turn. It's a very small bet that's easy to call and will leave $160 for the river into what will be a $500+ pot.

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I think you ruined this hand on the flop.

You had 3 big fish in there with you with the nuts!

Flat call his min raise which means the other 2 will probably call.

Chances are 1 of the donks will improve in someway on the turn and you can get paid properly.

Let them draw to their 1 card king flush or something, then make them pay when they hit it.

I flat call the flop then keep the fish interested with a half pot sized turn bet, followed by a value bet on the river.

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Yeah, as played and given stacks on turn, I'd just rope him in like Dire suggests.

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I'm just flat-calling the flop. Keep everybody in since they are all morons, keep the fish in the lead, make it look like I'm drawing/weak and just staying in because of great pot odds. If the board pairs I'm not thrilled but I'll deal with it then. Otherwise I'm happy to move on the turn.

The 3-bet just looks too strong/transparent to me.

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I like Dires' line.

But if I shove the flop (not saying the way I played it was better, it really wasnt), wont they think something like "he shoves, he has got to have the nuts!!"?

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I like Dires' line.

But if I shove the flop (not saying the way I played it was better, it really wasnt), wont they think something like "he shoves, he has got to have the nuts!!"?

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You were the one who said that people have been bluffing him a ton, and he's been calling down. And if he remmebers you from the previous day, maybe he associates you with that. I dunno, interesting spot.

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im considering just calling the flop to rep Adx

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Tragically, when that diamond falls and everyone c/f's, it makes me realize I'll never take this line again.

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yeah, 100 on turn

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Call flop and see the turn multi-multiway. Much better chance of extracting. They don't have a set or else they'll repop on the flop anyway when it comes back to them.

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You can bet way smaller on the turn so he's more likely to call and still get stacks in by the river with the line you took.

Ill often just flat the flop here too.

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As played, turn is lollerskates.



It's obvious you were completely out of your comfort zone and playing scared money.


No biggy.

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Tragically, when that diamond falls and everyone c/f's, it makes me realize I'll never take this line again.

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1/6 of the time...

Re: So I followed a fish up in stakes
 

i would bet 160 on the turn, also raise pf for sure