My hand is face up right?
 

BB is 44/15 and likes to donk at a lot of flops with a wide range of hands. SB is 21/12/2.5 and seems slightly poor.

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $436.44
UTG: $189
MP: $750.45
Hero (CO): $197
BTN: $200
SB: $212.85

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $12</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $47</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $204.85 and is All-In</font>, BB folds, Hero ?

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

Easy fold imo.

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I can't imagine calling this.

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Wow I was quite surprised by instafold responds when I thought ay first BB shoved not SB. Fold as fast as possible.

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Even if SB isn't great, he is doing this with a draw never.

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

muck this quickly

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

i think this is closer than people are making it out to be. if he has exactly 88 or 22 props to him i guess, but i think it's also just as likely that he has some club draw that he's too stubborn to fold. something like KcQc could play it like this, no?

also i dunno wtf is up with the title, OP's range as perceived by villain is quite wide

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

A guess he could have AA as well.

My hand isn't face up though? When BB leads out, i think my RR is pretty obvious.

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A guess he could have AA as well.

My hand isn't face up though? When BB leads out, i think my RR is pretty obvious.

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well your read is BB donks a ton, so you should be raising pretty wide to take his monies, yea?

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

Easy fold. He check/shoved over a raise and re-raise lol.

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

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you're telling me you never look at AcJc here in villain's spot and think "[censored] it, i want to go all in?"

i mean, i'm not saying i don't find the fold button eventually but if i'm playing poorly for whatever reason i will def shove the bare nfd sometimes.

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i think he shoves nfd a decent amount

its still a fold tho, SAWB and all that

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

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you're telling me you never look at AcJc here in villain's spot and think "[censored] it, i want to go all in?"

i mean, i'm not saying i don't find the fold button eventually but if i'm playing poorly for whatever reason i will def shove the bare nfd sometimes.

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I'm not saying this isnt a call against me.

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

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you're telling me you never look at AcJc here in villain's spot and think "[censored] it, i want to go all in?"

i mean, i'm not saying i don't find the fold button eventually but if i'm playing poorly for whatever reason i will def shove the bare nfd sometimes.

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I'm not saying this isnt a call against me.

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well then to go back and answer your original question, i think the answer is yes, sometimes

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

I'm a spewtard 21/18/4, not this villain.

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

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you can't argue that it doesn't make it more likely, however unlikely it may be

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depends how likely he is to do this with a flush draw. He looks really strong, but you only lose to 88/22. Plus given that donkey donks a lot you could be raising a wider range

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Do you expect a 20/10/2.5 to be basically cold-shoving a buyin because we *may* be raising light?

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you can't argue that it doesn't make it more likely, however unlikely it may be

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OK, it's possible, but IMO not often enough to call.

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that's fair enough. I was just making an observation that will hopefully add something the discussion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

i doubt this guy is too perceptive either, but if you have been raising these donk bets q. a bit, he may be picking up on that.

He doesn't have to do this with many flush combos to make this a call. Add in the fact that he won't play a set like this 100% of the time, and the small chance he shoves KQ and it's close. def not a snap fold.

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

it's a not an ez ez fold for me given the reads, that being said, i muck it here because we've shown strength and gotten shoved on anyway

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Depends on if this guy is dumb or solid. Yesterday I had a guy w/ similar stats (albeit a smaller stack) push over a raise and a reraise w/ AJo on a A rag rag flop.
I still think this is a fold vs unknown w/ these stats, but I wouldn't be surprised to see NFD's (as US stated), combo draws, and as little as KQ, KJ.
There seems to be lots of players w/ these stats that overplay the [censored] outta top pair.

Re: My hand is face up right?
 

Seems like a pretty easy fold IMO, if you are ahead it is barely and if you are behind you are pretty much drawing dead.

I like the way you played the flop with the raise of the donk, but then you need to let it go.