$200nl stars semi deep 3b pot
 

Villian is oO_JAY_AM_Oo, who i have as 13/10ish over 150 hands.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $197
Hero (CO): $349
BTN: $84.55
SB: $261.55
BB: $688.55
UTG: $269

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $26</font>, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($53) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $44</font>, Hero calls $44

Turn: ($141) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($141) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $76</font>

I want to know what everyone thinks of shoving this river as opposed to calling it. (or maybe you fold)

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Maybe AxQs

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Shoving river seems like spew to me. Calling and folding are both fine imo

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y would u shove river??

i think calling is ok as well, though i'm a nit and prolly fold

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Shoving makes JsJx QsQx TsTx fold... i hope. I think folding here is bad, but thats just me

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Shoving makes JsJx QsQx TsTx fold... i hope. I think folding here is bad, but thats just me

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What hand would you ever play this way that has the king of spades in it? If I'm the villian and I got shoved on, I'm definitely calling with QsQx...

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Shoving makes JsJx QsQx TsTx fold... i hope. I think folding here is bad, but thats just me

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What hand would you ever play this way that has the king of spades in it? If I'm the villian and I got shoved on, I'm definitely calling with QsQx...

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A float, KK.

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Shoving makes JsJx QsQx TsTx fold... i hope. I think folding here is bad, but thats just me

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What hand would you ever play this way that has the king of spades in it? If I'm the villian and I got shoved on, I'm definitely calling with QsQx...

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People that play 200 on stars know that i am a regular who plays very crazy in 3b pots. I can float this flop with complete air, and often will do so. I could also have AxKs and decide not to 4b due to stack sizes, which is completely reasonable. I highly doubt youd try to bet/call this river for stacks instantly with QxQs. Not many players are going to bluff shove this river.


2+2 makes me sad for the amount of close-minded thinking on these forums. I think this whole area of the game (turning made hands that figure to be good a large % of the time into bluffs) deserves alot of discussion. However, people choose to avoid this stuff because it isnt standard. You cannot play great poker without an open mind.

Now flame away...

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If you play very crazy in 3bet pots, why exactly wouldn't this be a trivial b/c with QsQx?

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If you play very crazy in 3bet pots, why exactly wouldn't this be a trivial b/c with QsQx?

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Nevermind im stupidasjdkfakslfdj

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I think this whole area of the game (turning made hands that figure to be good a large % of the time into bluffs) deserves alot of discussion

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I agree with this, and it's something I've been experimenting a lot with recently and it's a very tricky aspect of the game to get just right.

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2+2 makes me sad for the amount of close-minded thinking on these forums

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You've had some very solid posters/players respond to your thread and give you similar advice. I know that Imrahil, Rudikulous and I are always open to crazy bluffs and new lines as the three of us are pretty creative (sometimes too much so lol) at the tables. So the fact that the responses you've gotten say that a shove is unnecessary should tell you that it really is in this spot, and believe me I for one love bluff shoving rivers [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

One last thing, the fact that you said this:

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People that play 200 on stars know that i am a regular who plays very crazy in 3b pots. I can float this flop with complete air, and often will do so

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Makes me think you should not be trying to bluff people in this type of spot :P

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my point was i can have the Ks here because i play that way. You do have a point though, however i dont think many players, def not nits, can make that call easily. It is a really unlikely bluff spot imo

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Does anyone think villain is ever valuebetting 99-JJ cause if so i think this is pretty neat just because its so ballsy

With a spade of course

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This may sound dumb/crazy and it could be the beer and/or sleep deprivation talking but is a min raise out of the question?

I never advocate a minraise myself, but do you have the image to get away with it?

Every time i've ever been minraised on a 4 flush board it has always been the nuts.

Just a thought

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i dont really get why you would want to shove...do you think he's b/f-ing QsQx? you would be repping like one hand, KsKx (and you might even take other lines with that hand) if so. getting people to fold nut and second nut flushes is pretty -EV imo. you might have some FE vs. other spades but meh. if he knows your a reg capable of making crazy moves, doesnt that lower your FE? just seems as if having a spewy image would hurt not help here.

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you guys owned me again

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Lol at ever folding second nuts vs. myke11