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One of the biggest Taser representatives outside the US base has declared the company's intention to produce and sell internationally a small airborne drone version of the weapon that can administer electrical jolts of 50,000 volts.

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Shocking.

Of course there's dispute over the use of tasers. They do carry a hell of a jolt without being lethal. Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead? Someone dies once in awhile, usually as a combination of the jolt and whatever's in the individual's system. It doesn't mean this isn't a better alternative than being shot with lethal force.

The alternative is to let criminals do what they want. You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him. Sometimes this kind of force becomes a necessity, especially with violent or psychotic criminals.

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Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead?

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So a cop only has two options to choose from? Shooting someone or zapping him with 50,000 volts?

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The alternative is to let criminals do what they want.

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No, it isn't. What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them?

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You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him.

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Why not?

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Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead?

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So a cop only has two options to choose from? Shooting someone or zapping him with 50,000 volts?

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Well, not in every situation, but violent situations where the criminal is also armed with a weapon, be it knife, bat, etc. What do you suggest the cops do? I don't disagree there are situations in where the taser is overused, and certainly the application needs to be looked at. They shouldn't use it at their convenience but in dangerous situations.

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No, it isn't. What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them?

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They shot more criminals than they should've. They just have a now less lethal option that still carries lethal force when it's applied to the wrong individual. They'd use nightsticks and their own bodies to force a criminal to submit, and when that didn't work, they would be forced to shoot them.

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You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him.

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Why not?

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Violent and psychotic criminals do not react well to a gentle tone of voice and perusasion. When well into a course of action, they're notoriously difficult to stop. The degree of difficulty goes up quite a bit when they're armed.

It's a distasteful alternative, tasering, and probably benefits officers more than it does the criminal, since tasering is not a gentle alternative, but it is less lethal than beating the criminal to death or shooting him. Bear in mind I'm considering situations where violence is guaranteed to happen.

I don't agree with causal use of tasering just because the option is open to the officers. I'm also not sure what to make of the fact they'd use it to stop hostile crowds, and probably would lean towards not using it in those situations.

But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets.

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Remember, everyone is a criminal thanks to the "Patriot" Act. So, besides bank robbers, murderers, etc people ho still believe the Constitution and Bill of Rights are still valid are also criminals in the 21st century.

It will be much easier to taser protestors rather than get near them with batons.

Ask a cop why he pulled you over--zap.

This is becoming a prison planet, and tasers are just the beginning.

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Ahhh a tazer...Just what every real woman needs. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Ahhh a tazer...Just what every real woman needs. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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As a deterrent or toy? lol.

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This is becoming a prison planet, and tasers are just the beginning.

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Contrary to American opinion and law conditions there, America isn't the entire planet. Things are quite democratic elsewhere.

Saying that a specific weapon is spurring on the change is short-sighted, however. The fact is, if America does take a turn for the worse and discard any pretense of a democracy, it'll be the legislation that is at fault, not the enforcement of the legislation.

I'd be surprised, to be honest, if a government was capable in this day and age of implementing such a draconian state. It's just not possible to successfully implement a master-serf relationship across up to half a billion people without the system breaking down. And because of the sheer size of a theortical system, it will always break down.

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I think we should ask the drones if they are in a secret society imo.

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But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets.

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why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind?

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why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind?

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It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters.

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tame,

Nice. I was going to say "Because it seems like a good idea?"

Meh. There are bad cops, and without further info on the incident, I'll just assume this was a case where someone who shouldn't even be a cop got carried away with his toy.

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It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters.

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the problem is that when a cop shoots someone like an old unarmed woman, he is universally condemned.

but when he tasers same old, he gets a lot of defense, and universal support from police/legal. which leads to more and frequent tasering.

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What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them?

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What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them?

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Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed.

You people watch entirely too many Andy Griffith reruns.

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Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed.

You people watch entirely too many Andy Griffith reruns.

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lol. yeah, now with tasers around, all those bad cops are angels.

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Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed.

You people watch entirely too many Andy Griffith reruns.

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lol. yeah, now with tasers around, all those bad cops are angels.

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As probably the only person participating in this discussion to have actually taken the taser ride, let me tell you first off that it looks alot worse than it actually is.

A taser is not a pain compliance device, at least not in the sense that a baton or OC (pepper) spray is. It is a device specifically designed to cause muscle contraction, allowing the officers to safely apprehend violent suspects.

As to the "old ladies" crap, there are idiots all over the world, in every profession, not just mine. Mine just get picked on alot more than most, because every news station in town has a scanner sitting in the news room. These tools happen to be my livelyhood, as I can't carry guns when I'm in close contact with inmates, most of the lifers have been hit with OC so much it's pretty much useless, and I'd prefer to not attempt to take down 200 men at once with a baton, as batons start riots.

Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker.

Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods.

I'll admit, these things don't look pretty, but they weren't meant to. They do save lives. I'm a slightly different case, working inside the walls of a prison. Somewhere around 80% of the time, I think 78.6% to be exact, when a taser is deployed by a street cop, he could've (legally) used deadly force.

Tasers save lives, and not just the lives of officers.

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i was at some crappy store in the miracle mile shops at planet hollywood hotel and casino on las vegas boulevard a few days ago and it was one of those stupid las vegas knick-knacks stores and there was this fake pack of gum and when you tried to pull out a piece it shocked you. THAT [censored] [censored] SUCKED! my thumb was all messed up. [censored] sucked. so take that anecdote for what its worth.

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Its called a "Slapper" generally they were made out of rubber, or later plastic. Basically, it's an impact pain compliance weapon that went away because of it's ineffectiveness.

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Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed.

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As probably the only person participating in this discussion to have actually taken the taser ride, let me tell you first off that it looks alot worse than it actually is.

A taser is not a pain compliance device, at least not in the sense that a baton or OC (pepper) spray is. It is a device specifically designed to cause muscle contraction, allowing the officers to safely apprehend violent suspects.

As to the "old ladies" crap, there are idiots all over the world, in every profession, not just mine. Mine just get picked on alot more than most, because every news station in town has a scanner sitting in the news room. These tools happen to be my livelyhood, as I can't carry guns when I'm in close contact with inmates, most of the lifers have been hit with OC so much it's pretty much useless, and I'd prefer to not attempt to take down 200 men at once with a baton, as batons start riots.

Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker.

Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods.

I'll admit, these things don't look pretty, but they weren't meant to. They do save lives. I'm a slightly different case, working inside the walls of a prison. Somewhere around 80% of the time, I think 78.6% to be exact, when a taser is deployed by a street cop, he could've (legally) used deadly force.

Tasers save lives, and not just the lives of officers.

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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight.

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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight.

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It isn't really an excuse you know, but more of an explanation. And it IS a better explanation than 'all policeofficers are [********]'.

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Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker.

Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods.

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Which I don't disagree with, obviously. The thing is, there's been a recent spate of taser deaths up here in Canada and it's become enough of an issue that the Senate wants the matter looked into and taser use paused until the investigation's done.

Personally, I think it's a good weapon for officers to have in violent situations though. There are more good cops than there are bad cops, and it's a high-visibility profession where PR is concerned, and a few bad cops can really ruin the image of officers in general.

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Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker.

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That tasers generally don't affect pacemakers doesn't imply they're harmless. The taser is potentially lethal and is entirely capable of causing permanent damage. You don't [censored] around with electricity and the human body. Even a violet wand shouldn't be used without extreme caution, IMO.

And violent force should never be used except as a last resort.

Law enforcement in general? I have a cynical outlook and have had bad experiences. I say you only have to look as far as the nearest law enforcement forum online to see what I'm talking about. But that's off the topic. We aren't talking about the times when lethal force is justified, we're talking about the times when it isn't. Youtube features many videos of tasers being used by law enforcement as a pain compliance device, or even for punishment/revenge. And I'm sure that for every video that gets posted there are a thousand incidents that go unreported. Every one of those officers should be fired and should never be in a position of authority again as long as they live. But what they get are slaps on the wrist - if anything. And that's a serious problem.

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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight.

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Can you imagine a surgeon using that excuse? "I was having a bad day, I cut a few corners so I could go home early, what's the big deal?"

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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight.

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It isn't really an excuse you know, but more of an explanation. And it IS a better explanation than 'all policeofficers are [********]'.

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What do you mean it isnt an excuse? Its given as a response when people say "Something should be done about police" and then someone responds "There are [censored] in every profession." That isnt an explanation its an excuse, in other words, NO, something should not be done, its inevitable. (The "something" here is left nebulous to suit the situation). If it were just people grousing about cops fine but we are talking about actual actions and policies and "there are always bad apples" is being used as an ARGUMENT for why we dont need to take these things into consideration. In other words, an excuse.

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the problem is that the bad police apples are vehemently defended by every other police officer all the way up to the top. and by DAs.

also police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand.

also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.

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Can you imagine a surgeon using that excuse? "I was having a bad day, I cut a few corners so I could go home early, what's the big deal?"

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Right, there are bad apples in surgery AND THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and so very extreme measures are taken to prevent these bad apples. Institutional measures, personal measures, whatever it takes, because we simply cannot have bad apples in certain professions. Wal Mart employees who pocket money out of the till, yeah ok, cops, surgeons, airline pilots, different ballgame.

But surgery (and medicine in general) is a lot closer to the cop end of the spectrum (maybe I should say cops are closer to the medicine end of the spectrum) than the airline end. The airline industry is, honestly, pretty amazing when it comes to stuff like this. They have taken so many institutional steps to prevent error and abuse, they are pretty much the closest thing to perfect that exists, at least that I know of. They show that it can be done if its important enough. If we are going to have police, then I think its important enough.

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the problem is that the bad police apples are vehemently defended by every other police officer all the way up to the top. and by DAs.

also police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand.

also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.

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Also they should rightly be held to a ridiculous standard because they have guns and imprison people.

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police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand.

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Source? And this is one HELL of a statement, I want pages and pages. Unless your source is Law & Order or something. Then again, it probably is.

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also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.

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Source? I've yet to see a dept where the taser was used that way. It is a compliance device, but not pain compliance. Then again, you probably don't know the difference anyway. Well, actally I'm sure you don't, because your very definition of what a pain compliance device is and how it can be used were miles off the mark.

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Source? And this is one HELL of a statement, I want pages and pages. Unless your source is Law & Order or something. Then again, it probably is.

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also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.

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Source? I've yet to see a dept where the taser was used that way. It is a compliance device, but not pain compliance. Then again, you probably don't know the difference anyway. Well, actally I'm sure you don't, because your very definition of what a pain compliance device is and how it can be used were miles off the mark.

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Wait. Do you actually work for Blackwater?

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Source? And this is one HELL of a statement, I want pages and pages. Unless your source is Law & Order or something. Then again, it probably is.

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also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.

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Source? I've yet to see a dept where the taser was used that way. It is a compliance device, but not pain compliance. Then again, you probably don't know the difference anyway. Well, actally I'm sure you don't, because your very definition of what a pain compliance device is and how it can be used were miles off the mark.

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Wait. Do you actually work for Blackwater?

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No, I actually work for the Georgia Department of Corrections, prior to that, I worked for the Dekalb County Police Department (GA) and the Calhoun County Sheriffs Department (AL).

I've graduated with two police academy classes, one in GA and one in Alabama, I've also passed four prison mandates, hold a bachelors in Criminal Justice, and in all that training, I've never once been told to lie. I have however, been told on more occasions than I could hope to count that "If you lie, you die". I've also seen more cops get fired for lying than anything else.

I don't work for Blackwater, but I have trained with them. Quality firearms training, best in the world.

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No, I actually work for the Georgia Department of Corrections, prior to that, I worked for the Dekalb County Police Department (GA) and the Calhoun County Sheriffs Department (AL).

I've graduated with two police academy classes, one in GA and one in Alabama, I've also passed four prison mandates, hold a bachelors in Criminal Justice, and in all that training, I've never once been told to lie. I have however, been told on more occasions than I could hope to count that "If you lie, you die". I've also seen more cops get fired for lying than anything else.

I don't work for Blackwater, but I have trained with them. Quality firearms training, best in the world.

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What does the department of corrections do?

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No, I actually work for the Georgia Department of Corrections, prior to that, I worked for the Dekalb County Police Department (GA) and the Calhoun County Sheriffs Department (AL).

I've graduated with two police academy classes, one in GA and one in Alabama, I've also passed four prison mandates, hold a bachelors in Criminal Justice, and in all that training, I've never once been told to lie. I have however, been told on more occasions than I could hope to count that "If you lie, you die". I've also seen more cops get fired for lying than anything else.

I don't work for Blackwater, but I have trained with them. Quality firearms training, best in the world.

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What does the department of corrections do?

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House felony inmates that are in the custody of the state.

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Right, there are bad apples in surgery AND THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and so very extreme measures are taken to prevent these bad apples. Institutional measures, personal measures, whatever it takes, because we simply cannot have bad apples in certain professions.

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LOL, if you think surgeons are held to a high standard. google the stats for doctor screw ups (lethal).

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I've graduated with two police academy classes, one in GA and one in Alabama, I've also passed four prison mandates, hold a bachelors in Criminal Justice, and in all that training, I've never once been told to lie. I have however, been told on more occasions than I could hope to count that "If you lie, you die". I've also seen more cops get fired for lying than anything else.

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well perhaps you simply were in a very honest (small) county or something, where the police don't informally coach the newbies to lie on the stand. the fact that officers were fired kinda proves that this didn't go on.

but as far as lying in the day to day operations, that is expected and part of the job. just look up cunningly coerced into waiving rights or something like that. but you probably didn't mean you don't lie to suspects.

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LOL, if you think surgeons are held to a high standard. google the stats for doctor screw ups (lethal).

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So the whole rest of my post...just ignored huh. Ok.

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well I guess I agree that police should be better regulated, but imo walmart employees are way more regulated than either doctors or police.

probably the main problem is that doctors, lawyers, and police all regulate themselves. I'm sure if walmart workers self regulated themselves walmart would be broke within a short period of time.

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well I guess I agree that police should be better regulated, but imo walmart employees are way more regulated than either doctors or police.

probably the main problem is that doctors, lawyers, and police all regulate themselves. I'm sure if walmart workers self regulated themselves walmart would be broke within a short period of time.

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Might want to choose a better example. Even Walmart workers now have unions these days.

There are bad apples and there is corruption in every profession. I'm baffled by your venom towards cops in particular, because they basically carry out the letter of the law the best they can.

I understand, especially in the US, there are situations where cops abuse their authority or do things that may be illegal or immoral with regards to their profession, but that's true everywhere.

I've had good and bad experiences with cops, and by and large you may want to consider that they have a very tough job to do. I'm not saying show them compassion and bleed your hearts out for them, but realize that when a cop goes foul, the crime isn't generally hidden, but sensationalized rather.

So in essence, the public does regulate the policing to some extent, perhaps not as much as liberals would like. And the profession does attract its share of sadists and people with power complexes. That's unavoidable and can't be efficiently screened for.

That, however, does not mean by and large a cop's job isn't to protect and serve and try to bring good and order into a community. It's not an easy job when you consider the kind of people they have to come in contact with day in, day out.

Not liberals, but recidivists.

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walmart employees are way more regulated

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You're making some extreme claims here. Have you looked into the loss prevention industry?

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walmart employees are way more regulated



You're making some extreme claims here. Have you looked into the loss prevention industry?

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the analogy to medicine would be that if a walmart cashier came up short at the end of his shift, the other walmart workers would keep it hush hush, and if it somehow came out that his register was short, he would have to appear before a disciplinary board composed of his fellow cashiers.