200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

Villain is ajbutterfish(18/14). I'm running about 19/16.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $149.75
SB: $187
BB: $200
UTG: $291
MP: $336.40
Hero (CO): $200

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, BB calls $11

Turn: ($37) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $28</font>, BB calls $28

River: ($93) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

I think so.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

Yeah, but it's close. Either is fine really since he can show up w/ busted spades a lot.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

i suppose. Were folding to a ch/r though right?

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

i check behind. really dont like to get 3 streets of value out of medium pairs bad kickers.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

only T's that still beat us are KT and AT. a river bet of 58 should be fine here.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

I'd value bet this, he almost never has a hand that beats us, spades missed and two scare cards came which might make him prone to think we r bluffing. I'd probably bet like 67. Plus its great for ur image.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

he's going to fold his 88. nit.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

i like going a bit smaller, say $45

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

I'd prolly size it the way all your bluffs are sized. 85$ might get a call that 50$ wouldn't.

Thais is if your going for value.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

When I'm playing well this is a sick value bet for $49/$51

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I'd bluff this spot near 100% of the time with air, so I'd definitely value bet light here as well. I'd bet about $75, same amount I'd bluff. This is also why I don't like playing small/medium pairs like villain did. You're just setting yourself up for some really [censored] spots.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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he's going to fold his 88. nit.

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not against me... ever.

bet bet bet

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $149.75
SB: $187
BB: $200
UTG: $291
MP: $336.40
Hero (CO): $200

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, BB calls $11

Turn: ($37) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $28</font>, BB calls $28

River: ($93) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $52</font>, <font color="red"> BB raises $154 and is all in </font>, Hero?

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

oh man i need to c/r rivers more often

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

fold

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

I check behind. no point to make thin value w/ mid pair no kicker. you either get bluff raised off a lot of you don't get called often. Your hand has SD..so just be glad with the money in the pot and get over it with.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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oh man i need to c/r rivers more often

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Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

he isn't gonna call with a pair 99- so what are we getting value from. just check

the only way to get value would be to induce the c/r bluff, but that is pretty high variance

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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When I'm playing well this is a sick value bet for $49/$51

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no, it's really not.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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When I'm playing well this is a sick value bet for $49/$51

[/ QUOTE ]no, it's really not.

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It isn't sick or it isn't a good bet?

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

why is everyone now saying to check behind after the "results" have been posted. Are you guys really that results oriented?

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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When I'm playing well this is a sick value bet for $49/$51

[/ QUOTE ]no, it's really not.

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It isn't sick or it isn't a good bet?

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IMO, it isn't sick. I would almost never check behind here.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

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why is everyone now saying to check behind after the "results" have been posted. Are you guys really that results oriented?

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i grunched fyi

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

just wondering about the OP and i'm not being results oriented i think...

i would figure he folds a little or possibly mid pair a decent amount of the time after the 2nd shell...and hero is taggy and hasn't given any indication of being laggy...

what range are we putting him on after he calls the turn?? if it includes 88 or 99, then definitely bet imo...

meh, i think about now and i like bet, guess i wasn't so sure before

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

value betting here is horrible. stop thinking youre playing 300/600 and just check behind.

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Check riv. It's so thin and if he's calling flop and turn w/ mid pp then he is surely folding river unless you have a bluffy image. It looks like he flopped big, obv fold now.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

I've very tempted to call this CR. He's repping nothing but KsXs, which I don't think he'd c/c on 2 streets. He could have 33/77/TT but I'm thinking he puts in a raise on flop or turn with them, to get stacks in obv - plus, those aren't many combos.

Yeah, I've talked myself into it. Call his c/r and berate.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

Unless he flopped a boat AND knows that hero likes to value bet thin, I don't think we r behind hardly ever, he could talk himself into calling because the fd missed and two scare cards came which u could be bluffing on, checking behind here is weak and its very unlucky u ran into a river c/r after he c/c the flop and especially turn. Just realize that ur hardly ever beat given his line and bet.

Re: 200NL Middle pair value bet this?
 

River bet is perfectly fine.

How often do people cr rivers in ssnl? Like rarely...

Once you get cr'd here, he is representing like &lt;3x/77&gt; which is a pretty small range. Most people wont be able to value cr Kx here. Given how hand played out, some people can turn marginal hands &lt;66/88/7x/etc&gt; into a bluff, so you shouldnt always snap fold this.