FT200 No pair against a maniac
 

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BTN: $556.90
Hero (SB): $194.20
BB: $424.05
UTG: $223
MP: $92.30
CO: $33

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $12

Flop: ($34) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $24</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $48</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $178.20 and is All-In</font>



BTN is 68/41/3.3/44 .

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Meh I do this too, never ran the math tho so idk

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I think this is ok. We often have 6 outs if behind, there's likely a bunch of FDs in his range and it could easily be some kind of bluff with whatever. I think we have 25ish equity vs his calling range (assuming his calling range is PP, FD, 4x 9x).

Does 44 stand for wtsd or hands?

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I think this is ok. We often have 6 outs if behind, there's likely a bunch of FDs in his range and it could easily be some kind of bluff with whatever. I think we have 25ish equity vs his calling range (assuming his calling range is PP, FD, 4x 9x).

Does 44 stand for wtsd or hands?

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Hands

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I think this is ok. We often have 6 outs if behind, there's likely a bunch of FDs in his range and it could easily be some kind of bluff with whatever. I think we have 25ish equity vs his calling range (assuming his calling range is PP, FD, 4x 9x).

Does 44 stand for wtsd or hands?

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Hands

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Ok that makes me a bit less likely to pull this move. In that case I'd like to have some real read that he plays like an idiot. It's probably still ok though.

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It's fine as long as it doesn't tilt you when he calls you with 33 and wins.

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I'm not sure if I like this, except for all out bluffs he is going to be ahead. If he really is a maniac, he isn't folding anything that is ahead of us and calling very little that is behind. Against guys like this I fold, you can always find better spots against them.

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i like it.

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Do you mind giving your reasoning here? I honestly don't see how this could be anything but a spew against a maniac.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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yeah, it is ok.

he doesn't have a hand here very often. not sure how much FE you have if he does have a piece

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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against a 68/41 A hi is a pretty good hand imo

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Imo you have zero fold equity here. I like to get it all in this spot if i have a better erad on how he plays postflop./ Some 60/40 are uber donks riasing /betting with air, some are pretty decent postflop and having a pair sv them would be much better

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the amount of times i lose to a mid pair if i shoved here would infuriate me

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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Imo you have zero fold equity here. I like to get it all in this spot if i have a better erad on how he plays postflop./ Some 60/40 are uber donks riasing /betting with air, some are pretty decent postflop and having a pair sv them would be much better

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the point is he hardly ever has anything

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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Imo you have zero fold equity here. I like to get it all in this spot if i have a better erad on how he plays postflop./ Some 60/40 are uber donks riasing /betting with air, some are pretty decent postflop and having a pair sv them would be much better

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the point is he hardly ever has anything

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well imo that depends on how he plays postflop...

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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If you really think this is the case then I guess it's fine. I'm just not used to playing against players like this, I can't even remember the last time I was at a table with someone over 45%VPIP much less 60.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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If you really think this is the case then I guess it's fine. I'm just not used to playing against players like this, I can't even remember the last time I was at a table with someone over 45%VPIP much less 60.

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You need to improve your tableselction.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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If you really think this is the case then I guess it's fine. I'm just not used to playing against players like this, I can't even remember the last time I was at a table with someone over 45%VPIP much less 60.

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You need to improve your tableselction.

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More like I need to improve my site selection [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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NH. AK is the nuts in this situation vs this guy. If he does have a pair you have outs too.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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If you really think this is the case then I guess it's fine. I'm just not used to playing against players like this, I can't even remember the last time I was at a table with someone over 45%VPIP much less 60.

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You need to improve your tableselction.

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More like I need to improve my site selection [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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where do you play?

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then call said hand down regardless of board texture. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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You can also call down with AK from time to time as well but I don't understand this shove.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then call said hand down regardless of board texture. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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You can also call down with AK from time to time as well but I don't understand this shove.

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Villian's minraise is a bluff a good % of the time, so basically we're resemibluffing. I wouldn't be surprised to get calls from AQ either.

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Word of advice: It's generally a good idea to make a hand vs a 68/41 and then bet said hand. A hand would be a pair or greater.

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Yeah, fit or fold ldo. This is a crappy post but I guess it might be sarcastic. Range, equity, folding equity etc.

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Does anyone know how wide his range would have to be to make pushing profitable?

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It has to be a pure bluff somthing like 30% of the time. That's assuming he'll never call with worse except FDs and he calls all PPs.

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I think he folds 22 and 33 some % of the time, and calls Ax air some % of the time also.

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If you really think this is the case then I guess it's fine. I'm just not used to playing against players like this, I can't even remember the last time I was at a table with someone over 45%VPIP much less 60.

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You need to improve your tableselction.

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More like I need to improve my site selection [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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where do you play?

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Red Nines, they're a Prima skin.

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if he's been constantly raising the flop and people have been folding to his aggression, then i don't see much of a problem w/3-bet shoving the flop against this guy. i have made this play against these aggro tards various times in the past, and have had good success.

if called, you almost always have 6 outs.

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It's fine as long as it doesn't tilt you when he calls you with 33 and wins.

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