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Chaser8 11-26-2007 03:48 AM

Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $228.10
UTG: $613.72
CO: $541.20
Hero (BTN): $676.10
SB: $330

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $24</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $68</font>, CO calls $44

Turn: ($170) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($170) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $120</font>, Hero folds

Villain's stats are 25/23/5.50
What makes this hand interesting is that his "call continuation bet" and "raise continuation bet" percentages are both ZERO over a sample of 300 hands. Was my fold good or bad? What hands would he have called my flop raise with? I'm putting him on TT or 68

Chaser8 11-26-2007 12:49 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
bump

lkjhgfdsa 11-26-2007 01:04 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I'm up against TT : (

Sorry. I think u suck.

$upermad4it 11-26-2007 01:08 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
I dont like your raise on the flop,you are turning your hand into a bluff. Just call

Toni Cogin 11-26-2007 01:09 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
hes probably playing any overpair/set like this, seems like pretty easy fold given river action, cant see him valuebet worse

thejerkface 11-26-2007 01:11 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
River is a super easy fold. He is value betting and there is nothing worse that he can really valuebet here.

dagreez 11-26-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
you've got a slight edge pf against his range you might wanna push that with a threebet.

i think you just have to sack up and bet/fold the turn. if he c/r's you he's gotta be pretty sick to be bluffing considering you prob. have a solid image. plus if he has TT+ he prob putting in a three bet on the flop. not for sure but probably imo.

on the river he can be bluffing at your weak line. not saying i would def. call here cause id rather bet the turn, i think you pussed out, but i would consider calling more than if a tighter player bet the river after calling a flop raise obv.

pretty tough spot, think i like a turn bet around $130 and it also makes the hand play different.

TheWorstPlayer 11-26-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
id flat call the flop or reraise preflop. the call preflop/raise flop line doesnt seem good to me at all. against what range is that better than re-raising preflop?

Laetus 11-26-2007 01:23 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
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id flat call the flop or reraise preflop. the call preflop/raise flop line doesnt seem good to me at all. against what range is that better than re-raising preflop?

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Agree.

Chaser8 11-26-2007 02:20 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
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id flat call the flop or reraise preflop. the call preflop/raise flop line doesnt seem good to me at all. against what range is that better than re-raising preflop?

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Let's say I 3bet pre and he calls. Flop comes 752r, do I bet/fold?

Let's say I call pre and call 752r flop, am I calling a turn bet and folding to a river bet? What if JQKA comes on turn and river?

TheWorstPlayer 11-26-2007 03:05 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
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id flat call the flop or reraise preflop. the call preflop/raise flop line doesnt seem good to me at all. against what range is that better than re-raising preflop?

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Let's say I 3bet pre and he calls. Flop comes 752r, do I bet/fold?

Let's say I call pre and call 752r flop, am I calling a turn bet and folding to a river bet? What if JQKA comes on turn and river?

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Let's say I sit down to play poker without any idea what I'm doing...

Chaser8 11-26-2007 04:36 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
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id flat call the flop or reraise preflop. the call preflop/raise flop line doesnt seem good to me at all. against what range is that better than re-raising preflop?

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Let's say I 3bet pre and he calls. Flop comes 752r, do I bet/fold?

Let's say I call pre and call 752r flop, am I calling a turn bet and folding to a river bet? What if JQKA comes on turn and river?

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Let's say I sit down to play poker without any idea what I'm doing...

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Can you be a bit more helpful than insulting me?

How is 3betting pre with middle pairs good for postflop play? If the villain holds QQ+, it will be obvious by the flop because he will have reraised me either pre or on the flop. However, if he holds TT JJ, am I 3betting pre to represent QQ+ and hoping he'll fold his overpair to my flop cbet?

DND 11-26-2007 05:06 PM

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I'm 3-betting pre almost always against a 25/20

olof86 11-26-2007 06:04 PM

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call flop and reevaluate. 3bet pre is an option too (wether or not you're folding to a flopshove, decide ingame!)

AAismyfriend 11-26-2007 08:12 PM

Re: Line check with 99 overpair. I think I\'m up against TT : (
 
I like the flop raise only if you have some history with this guy or if he has reason to believe you make a lot of plays at ragged flops in position. I think calling preflop is fine as well, but I'm 3 betting vs a guy with these stats a lot in this spot. As for the river, calling is the worst option IMO, and I see no reason to think he has exactly TT, when he plays JJ-AA the same way. The only way to win this hand is to bluff shove the river, which can be good vs some, but if he doesn't like to fold I'd just muckem.


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