Live - QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

Weirdest hand I've played in awhile. At a casino so I'll reenact it best I can. The opponent here was just recently moved to the table, but seems to be pretty LAG.

FR but only mentioning the stack sizes of the two of us that saw the flop:

CO (Villain) $575

SB (ME) $595

Preflop you are dealt: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG +1 raises to $10

folds to CO who raises to $25

SB (Me) raises to $85

folds to CO who calls.

Flop ($182) ( is: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet $150

CO calls.

Turn ($482): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I really have absolutely no idea whats going on here. I feel like if I check I lose the hand automatically, but what am I beating here? The only hand I can think of is K/A of diamonds.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

Bet all of it.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

But why? I don't see what hand is strong enough to just smooth call. K/A of diamonds most likely pushes, I don't think any pocket pair below Queens are still here, maybe jacks but I Doubt it.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

I probably cold-call pf.

As played I think checking with the intention of getting in if villain bets is the best play.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

Really you just call preflop? I didn't even consider that option. Why would you do that? The CO's raise to 25 is a suck bet for the UTG so it's going to be 3 way and I'll be out of position.

So you're never giving up on the hand here? Thanks for the replies.

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4betting this isn't very good if you can't comfortably felt here and I really don't think you can. I would just call pre. This spot sucks now so I guess c/c or c/f depending on live reads.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

I see TT, JJ here a lot, also suited aces down to AT. Sure, you'll be up against a higher pair sometimes, a set sometimes, and you'll be dodging diamonds sometimes, but my bet is you're ahead more often than not live.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

I didn't see the blinds.

Is this 1/2? 2/4?

Thanks.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

Thanks for the replies, and thinks for talking about why to just call here, that didn't even occur as an option to me before.

This was 1/2.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

Hey Bluegrass...

Sorta off topic, but where was this? Belterra?

Does AA,KK just call pf??? I wouldnt think so. Im putting villain on a mid pp playing 4 the set. You have about half your stack in, I think you hafta bet the turn. If villain comes over the top, your surely beat...88,99, or any of the over pairs & a FD are all there, though I think the draw is remote.

And you state that the villain seems laggy...more reason to bet IMO.

Re: QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

I was actually home for thanksgiving so I was playing at Sandia casino in Albuquerque.

Unfortunately I don't think that if I bet the turn I can ever get away from the hand, it's all going in.

Actually the fact that this person was LAG is what worried me. They seem to me atleast to want to slow play big pocket pairs in situations like this. A good TAG player probably pushes preflop, but a LAG player could do anything.

Do you all think someone really tries to hit a set here? Seems like a horrible call for set mining to me.

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I wouldn't recommend 4-betting with QQ with such deep stacks even if it is live.

Because of the inflated post-flop pot it's hard to lay it down now (which I don't like as he could easily have a slow-played AA/KK here.) I think given the action so far that I prefer a c/r here- at the risk of giving a free card to a FD or AK. As any hand that beats you would call a turn bet anyway, whereas a lower PP would most likely fold.

Re: Live - QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

[ QUOTE ]
...UTG +1 raises to $10

folds to CO who raises to $25

SB (Me) ...

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I'd call here. You can profitably call for set value. And if UTG+1 comes over the top and CO goes all-in, then you can pretty safely fold QQ here.

The only wrinkle is that you end up OOP if UTG+1 just calls and the flop is all low, like this one. At that point, if you and UTG+1 had just called pf, the only thing I really don't like is c/r. I think I'd donk the flop and consider folding to a big raise is I thought UTG+1 and CO aren't the kind who overplay TT-JJ "overpairs" post flop. If either of them are the kind who overplay TT-JJ post flop, then I think that I might c/c the flop, then lead the turn where I might fold to a big raise, too. This sort of stop & go might keep the pot manageable despite our bad position.

Anyway, as played, I think you just have to push the turn. You are behind KK-AA, but ahead of hands like TT-JJ and AKs. There is so much in the pot now relative to your effective stacks that you're pretty much committed for the rest.

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cold call preflop, c/r allin turn

Re: Live - QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

For real? I don't play live but 300BBs with one pair Queens? LAG doesn't necessarily mean "idiot". What's his flop call range? [99-AA, AdKd, AdQd]? If it is (IMO mad loose), we're owned. I check-fold turn as played.

EDIT: Didn't realize we're getting pot odds. Still, I think this sucks big time.

Re: Live - QQ deepstacked, what am I doing on the turn?
 

I like your fourbet preflop, and I agree his call is bad if he's got 88, 55, 22. If he's got 99: does he even get to the turn? Could have TT, JJ, KK, AA, AdKd, maybe AdQd. Then again live players can be amazingly bad sometimes, and he's a relative unknown, right? Still, tough spot.

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I agree that I'm overplaying the queens post flop here, but the problem is that I put so much money in on the flop, I imagine that would have gotten most hands that would have nailed that flop out, so I'm only losing to a slow played As or Kings. Next time this does happen I think I will most likely just call with the queens though unless I see the other player is 3 betting very light. Thanks for all of the responses, this has been by far the most helpful thread that I've started.

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Bluegrass

If I made it seem like Im happy in this spot, Im not...but with half my stack in already, I bet the turn hard/push...

99 is an over pair to the flop, I could see a live unknown take a turn card. Do I think its a great play? NO...have I seen a live player do this? Almost every time Ive ever played live... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]