55$ KK A high board
 

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2430
Hero: t1880
UTG+2: t220
MP1: t1900
MP2: t1940
MP3: t1920
CO: t1940
Button: t2150
SB: t3620
BB: t2000

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t90)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t270</font>, 6 folds, SB calls t240 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t420)</font>, 2 folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t660, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t660, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t660, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t330</font>, SB calls t330 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t990)</font>.

Results:
Final pot: t1320

Any thoughts?

Thx for your help.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

pf raise to 240.

flop definetly cbet 300-400.

If you check the flop, bet the turn for that amount.

There is basically no hand that will call you that you beat on the river. Most probable is Ax.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

I was thinking the same for turn/riv as holy, but I don't mind a check behind on the flop since it's a WA/WB situation.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

WA/WB ?

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Way ahead, way behind

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Hm, I just don't mind taking down a good sized pot right there. And an A high flop is good to cbet on.

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Hm, I just don't mind taking down a good sized pot right there. And an A high flop is good to cbet on.

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Betting an A-high draw-less flop with KK only folds worse hands and gets called (or raised) by everything that beats you. Playing as OP did (or similarly) occasionally gets calls/bets from things like TT/99 or a Qx (on the turn).

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There is basically no hand that will call you that you beat on the river. Most probable is Ax.

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Disagree, I think you get looked up pretty light on this river.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

Hm..

I'm trying to think of ways the hand could play out. sb checks flop, you bet, he folds, all's good. we won a nice pot. If sb CR's he usually has us beat by a wide margin and we got away from the hand early and did't lose alot of chips.

If some random card comes that he hits, say he has KQ and he doesn't outdraw us but makes some MPGK hand, we win a little more, but probably not much, b/c he will be afraid of the ace.

If he outdraws us we are losing more than by b/f the flop, b/c we won't just fold to one bet on the turn and we will have a decision to make on the river, not really knowing where we are at.

I think there are pro's and con's either way, but it is generally alot better to get an idea of where you stand and to be the aggresor. I still prefer betting the flop to checking.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

Riverbet is fine.
Your line is decent up to river.
Prolly you could bet a bit less, to make any pocket call.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

Hmm just wondering what exactly can any pocket pair beat on river after preflop reraise to 270? KJ?lol

About the hand - usual check behind with KK on A high flop, 300 turn bet, and probably check on river after being called.

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Hmm just wondering what exactly can any pocket pair beat on river after preflop reraise to 270? KJ?lol

About the hand - usual check behind with KK on A high flop, 300 turn bet, and probably check on river after being called.

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If you're just wondering, why bet the turn?
You don't really have to worry about getting outdrawn, that's for sure(the only one having more than 2 outs seems to be QJ and some random gutshot, lol).

What'd you do if you get a call on the turn and a bet on the river?

Obviously some random pocket on the river beats only a bluff, but people will tend to think you're bluffing since it went cc cc c bet and just call, giving you some nice extra chips.

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Obviously some random pocket on the river beats only a bluff, but people will tend to think you're bluffing since it went cc cc c bet and just call, giving you some nice extra chips.

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Your bluffing with exactly what type of hand after preflop 270 reraise again?

Why bet turn - because we can get a call from a hand we beat now - KQ, QJ, and board becomes drawy too.

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Obviously some random pocket on the river beats only a bluff, but people will tend to think you're bluffing since it went cc cc c bet and just call, giving you some nice extra chips.

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Your bluffing with exactly what type of hand after preflop 270 reraise again?

Why bet turn - because we can get a call from a hand we beat now - KQ, QJ, and board becomes drawy too.

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There was no reraise pf.
You could bet turn to protect against the Q outs of KQ and the additional J outs of QJ.
But I think it doesn't make that big of a difference, as long as you get a li'l bet in on the river.
Also, board has not gotten really drawy IMO, there's still only gutshots and twoouters that we're ahead of, apart from above mentioned QJ.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

Hmm well UTG calls t60 (pot was t90), Hero raises to t270 i called this a reraise but nethermind, as about protection no - no protection here, just betting for value, on the flop no bet is called by worse hand, on the turn there are hands that will-might call which we have beat.

Also double check - he probably didn't call with A to check it twice, happens of course but less likely then smth different.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

Looks pretty good to me as long as you know why you did what you did.

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Hmm just wondering what exactly can any pocket pair beat on river after preflop reraise to 270? KJ?lol

About the hand - usual check behind with KK on A high flop, 300 turn bet, and probably check on river after being called.

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I'm kind of struggling with why I bet the turn if I check behind flop. Are you hoping to get called by KQ/QJ/suspicious mid pair?

Mostly, if they don't call flop, they don't call turn, and not much can come on the river to beat us. I think I prefer a WA/WB line, as OP played it.

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I'm kind of struggling with why I bet the turn if I check behind flop. Are you hoping to get called by KQ/QJ/suspicious mid pair?


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Yes - i've stated that above. I really think it would be a very specific set of qualities for a player to hit an ace and double check it there so after second check i consider us WA and value bet. After paired Q we don't beat anything again and check/fold mode is fine.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

99, TT, JJ are in villains range and far more likely than a Q or an A(given he checked three times), that's why river deserves a fine small valuebet.

Re: 55$ KK A high board
 

I like the way you played it

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Basically like it. Bet a little less on river.