NL 25 - AQs facing reraise
 

Villain is running at 28/6/1.

Is checking the flop here an option bearind in mind his reraise preflop? If not, how much do you lead out with?

I put him on QQ+/AK and given it's a dryish flop what are your thoughts?

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $31.45
UTG+1: $52.55
MP1: $15.75
MP2: $17.60
MP3: $9.75
CO: $66.20
Button: $9.80
SB: $18.99
BB: $21.15

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 3 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $3</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9.35, 3 players)
Hero ?

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I put him on QQ+/AK

[/ QUOTE ] Why did you call preflop?

If you don't know what to do when you hit this flop you really should fold. I would fold teh prefloops. Now that we're here I think you can check/call the flop and lead the turn or check/call flop and check/fold the turn.

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ok so if its QQ+/AK then you shouldn't be calling OOP, I would c/r the flop big and then revauluate from there

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Fold PF. You don't want to be playing this hand OOP and even worse in a 3-bet pot. This flop exemplifies why. We are behind AA, KK, and AK, which is most of what you see being 3-bet at this level.

Noting villain's AF I guess now I'd probably c/c flop c-bet but it's an easy fold if he fires again on the turn.

I remember someone saying once that we need to be careful not to head down dark alleys. Calling this 3-bet PF was defininitely taking us where we really didn't want to go. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Fold preflop, they see your hole cards.

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I concur with the above - It is better to fold preflop and wait for a better spot IMO

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If you don't know what to do when you hit this flop you really should fold. I would fold teh prefloops. Now that we're here I think you can check/call the flop and lead the turn or check/call flop and check/fold the turn.

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Hero's stack is only 3x the pot here, and short of flopping a flush, it's about as favorable as we can expect. I think the decision to be made preflop was either to commit on a flop like this, or just fold preflop.

Given that we called preflop, I think we need to be willing to get it all in here. I prefer checking and calling the flop and turn since not many worse hands are calling but may bet when we check.

As an aside, calling pretty much any flop bet is going to leave us &lt; 1psb on the turn, so if we call the flop we're pretty much committed.

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ok so if its QQ+/AK then you shouldn't be calling OOP, I would c/r the flop big and then revauluate from there

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Shooot, look again. The pot is already over $9.00 as there is more than one villain in there on the flop. Any raise is a shove.

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Pre-flop is fine. I say this a lot, but you guys are nits. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I would check/call flop.

Re: NL 25 - AQs facing reraise
 

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I put him on QQ+/AK

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If this is true, then you have no business calling his reraise out of position with AQ suited or otherwise. You should fold.

As played, you need to find the least expensive way to see if your ace is good. I think you should fire $9 at the flop, fold to a raise, and c/f if he calls unless you pick up a diamond draw or Q on the turn-in which case you either CRAI on the turn, or just push.

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Ok, I probably put him on too tight a preflop raising range (this wasn't a read but just on his stats). I think 6% is roughly 77+ AK and AQs, but given he reraised me I leaned more towards higher pairs and possibly AK.

What happened was myself and MP3 checked flop and villain bet $4 (just under half pot). At this point I figure I'm almost certainly looking at AK so I fold. My main concern was do I check or lead flop (but the consensus was I should have folded preflop).

Thanks for the comments.

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Ok, I probably put him on too tight a preflop raising range (this wasn't a read but just on his stats).

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think that's too tight at all. He's raising 6% of his hands, but what % is he 3betting? People with stats like those usually only raise QQ+ and not even AK. Now if he is any decent it's almost def. QQ+ since he reraised an UTG raise.

check/folding to a $4 bet is terrible. At least check/call.

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What happened was myself and MP3 checked flop and villain bet $4 (just under half pot). At this point I figure I'm almost certainly looking at AK so I fold.

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Sigh...

Don't call pf if you aren't even going to call a 1/2-pot bet when you hit your ace...

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What happened was myself and MP3 checked flop and villain bet $4 (just under half pot). At this point I figure I'm almost certainly looking at AK so I fold.

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Sigh...

Don't call pf if you aren't even going to call a 1/2-pot bet when you hit your ace...

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SABR42 is right. If you check the flop, he'll probably cb with all of his hands QQ-AA/AK. Interestingly, there are 50% of the hands in his range that you beat, and 50% that you don't. There are 8 combinations of AK, 1 of AA, 3 of QQ, and 6 of KK. That's 9 combinations you beat, and 9 that you don't. And if you check the flop, then ALL of them will usually cb.

So, c/c the flop, and then c/f the turn might be best if you think QQ and KK will shut down once their cb gets called.

But c/f on the flop is not good. You are ahead about 50% of the time, and if you don't lead (which would be my preferred line), then at least check/call, or maybe even check-raise to $9 and go away if he doesn't fold.

In fact, given his weak $4 cb, a c/r to $9 and giving up if he doesn't fold might be a good line.