Missed value with AA?
 

CO is typical loose passive fish. I get so wary when they re-raise ... I assume I lost a lot of value on the turn/river here? Should I have just jammed any non heart on the river, and c/r'ed the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

reraise flop call down any more action
I hate letting these guys keep the initiative on the flop because they keep wimping out and missing bets when scare cards come

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

If you are going to just call the flop raise, it should be with the intention of check-raising the turn. My play is to 3-bet the flop, bet the turn and the river. Check raising the turn certainly has merit too.

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

3bet flop you have aces yo

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

3 bet flop, bet/call turn, if we call turn maybe c/c river, if he just calls bet/call river also, u lose lots of value usually by giving the passive guy the lead here.

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

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If you are going to just call the flop raise, it should be with the intention of check-raising the turn. ... Check raising the turn certainly has merit too.

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Not much merit. You'll give up too many free cards against this type of player.

3-bet the flop and keep going until he raises again. Then call down.

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

This looks like any Q maybe w fl dr. I think either 3b flop or call and ck/r any non heart tu. Loose Passive fish raise tpmk here if you have been playing aggresive and c-bet alot. Another raise probably means 2pair at least IMO but I would probably call down.

Re: Missed value with AA?
 

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If you are going to just call the flop raise, it should be with the intention of check-raising the turn. ... Check raising the turn certainly has merit too.

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Not much merit. You'll give up too many free cards against this type of player.

3-bet the flop and keep going until he raises again. Then call down.

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Re: Missed value with AA?
 

What everyone else said, pump the flop then lead until he raises, then proceed to call down and pray he has top top or a semibluff.

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What everyone else said, pump the flop then lead until he raises, then proceed to call down and pray he has top top or a semibluff.

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Re: Missed value with AA?
 

With this board and action, CO is likely to have a Q and not a flush draw. There aren't too many turn cards to freeze him up, only perhaps a King and the two aces in the deck. With such a strong hand as QT+, CO should bet the turn, even being loose passive.

Thing is, if he is passive, he may have a better hand than ours. I would fear getting 3-bet on the turn after c/r it more than having the turn check through. He may have a set if he doesn't have a Queen. He's not checking behind a queen and we pay 3bets to see the river when he's got a set.

So I would 3-bet the flop and hope I don't get capped or raised on the turn by a two pair or set hand. But if we don't 3-bet the flop, I don't see how this turn ever gets checked through given the texture of the flop and the action. The loose passive raised the flop into several players including the preflop raiser.