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jk3a 11-24-2007 05:26 PM

c/c, c/c, shove
 
Villain is 22/10/3 tagfish. Great to have at your table. stacks off light and is generally easy to read. I'm fairly confident that the only real hand that he has that beats me here is A5, but wondering what you guys thought.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $36.75
MP: $281
CO: $245.95
BTN: $567.70
SB: $144.10
Hero (BB): $423.05

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, SB calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB calls $6

Flop: ($16) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, SB calls $13

Turn: ($42) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, SB calls $32

River: ($106) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $91.10 and is All-In</font>,

holdme 11-24-2007 05:36 PM

Re: c/c, c/c, shove
 
gross, why would he do this with less than 2pair

Casper05 11-24-2007 06:11 PM

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easy easy fold.

jk3a 11-24-2007 06:17 PM

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gross, why would he do this with less than 2pair

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uhh, the club draw missed

TwoToGo-Grave 11-24-2007 06:20 PM

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gross, why would he do this with less than 2pair

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uhh, the club draw missed

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That's what I was thinking. It sure makes sense that he'd have missed his flush draw here.

Novles 11-24-2007 06:21 PM

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snapcall?

willw9 11-24-2007 06:23 PM

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Folding seems right, but calling can't be bad. Getting 2:1, I probably find a call here.

Noam Chomsky 11-24-2007 06:25 PM

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I'm fairly confident that the only real hand that he has that beats me here is A5

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completely agree. I call here fo sho.

pineapple888 11-24-2007 06:31 PM

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It's probably real close given the odds and your read.

holdme 11-24-2007 06:32 PM

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gross, why would he do this with less than 2pair

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uhh, the club draw missed

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That's what I was thinking. It sure makes sense that he'd have missed his flush draw here.

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his af is 3, but if you have a read that he plays draws passively, by all means, call.

Paul Thomson 11-24-2007 06:33 PM

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i'd call this all day as well.

orange 11-24-2007 07:55 PM

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you guys really think he's doing this with AJ?

Paul Thomson 11-24-2007 08:00 PM

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you guys really think he's doing this with AJ?

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i just don't know what he isn't raising sooner?

AllIn3High 11-24-2007 08:04 PM

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If he was 40/20 or something, I could find a call, but this is so rarely anything less than 2pair from a decentish player, this seems to be the standard line vs. aggro players who will fire 2 barrels w/ a lot of hands. This bet usually means: Glad you bet the two previous streets, now I can't allow you to check behind vs. my good hand.

bilbo-san 11-24-2007 08:37 PM

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a) BvB
b) You have TPTK
c) Only 2-pair+ hand he doesn't find a raise with earlier is A5, because 75s doesn't fit with the fact that the 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is on the flop.

a + b + c = call.

Ace0fSpades 11-24-2007 08:44 PM

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Nobody is considering that this could be AQ or a set slowplaying us? Villain's AF seems decently high, so it is uncharacteristic that he c/c so much with a draw. It seems stupid to neglect villain's AF for the c/c on the flop and turn but then justify that the river shove could be missed clubs by saying he has an AF of 3 and is therefore capable of such a bluff.

Jer672 11-24-2007 08:54 PM

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Nobody is considering that this could be AQ or a set slowplaying us? Villain's AF seems decently high, so it is uncharacteristic that he c/c so much with a draw. It seems stupid to neglect villain's AF for the c/c on the flop and turn but then justify that the river shove could be missed clubs by saying he has an AF of 3 and is therefore capable of such a bluff.

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AQ or a pair would have raised PF not just limped from the SB. I would be wary of AT but I don't think that makes up enough of his range to justify a fold. I would expect a FD the most and likely call about 80% of the time.

kaby 11-24-2007 10:08 PM

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weird line + BvB + read that he stacks off somewhat light + TPTK + getting more than 2:1 = call

Fonkey123 11-24-2007 10:23 PM

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Call, but don't feel happy at all about it. Since he's a regular I think this is a real good time to make a VERY SLIGHTLY ev at worst call and make a note.

straightaway 11-24-2007 10:51 PM

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I fold here, I just don't see what he could have that you beat. He could be weirdly playing two pair or better. I don't think the missed flush draw just open jams the river.

Imrahil 11-25-2007 09:52 AM

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Everytime I fold here they should have it but they end up showing me a bluff.

Ace0fSpades 11-25-2007 03:37 PM

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Nobody is considering that this could be AQ or a set slowplaying us? Villain's AF seems decently high, so it is uncharacteristic that he c/c so much with a draw. It seems stupid to neglect villain's AF for the c/c on the flop and turn but then justify that the river shove could be missed clubs by saying he has an AF of 3 and is therefore capable of such a bluff.

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AQ or a pair would have raised PF not just limped from the SB. I would be wary of AT but I don't think that makes up enough of his range to justify a fold. I would expect a FD the most and likely call about 80% of the time.

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Sorry, misread the preflop action - I was assuming a hero PFR and a villain call from the blinds.


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