NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

Im only starting out with 6max again, Im a little lost sometimes when it comes to ranging uNL donks. Villain was something like 60/10/2, no reads and no history.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($87.09)
Hero ($70.36)
BB ($79.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.25</font>, BB calls $3.25.

Turn: ($10.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6.5</font>, BB calls $6.50.

River: ($23.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $23.5</font>, Hero calls $11.75

Final Pot: $70.50



Once he minraises that river, what range do you assign him?

Given stacksizes the only raise I can make is to put him AI. Would that be too reckless?


edit: oh but I was playing fairly loose and aggressive the entire time. I had been at the table for about 70 hands running at around 28/23.
edit2: but I dont recall how many of those hands villain was actually at the table with me so that info isnt too useful I guess.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

i dont mind just the call, his line seems to be representing a monster or a bluff. though his perception of a monster could be a lower 2 pair like A2.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

bet more on every street

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i agree with turn but flop bet looks fine. its a relatively dry board

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

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its a relatively dry board

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joke?

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its a relatively dry board

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joke?

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uhh, 1 flush draw, not many straight draws? its not exactly super wet

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bet more on every street

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i agree with turn but flop bet looks fine. its a relatively dry board

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lol wtf

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

dude, it is pretty wet. i'd go as far as to say that thinking it's dry is a leak.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

saying its "pretty wet" seems like an exaggeration. its not very dry but its not very wet either. all it really is is a club FD, and some of the suited hands have straight draws...not like most of his range is hitting/getting a draw here

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

The turnbet I would usually make bigger, especially on that board (which is quite wet imo). Multitabling leak probably, Im thinking about dropping one anyway.

Flop however I think is standard and on the river Im not quite sure yet, but I think I like it (betsizing).

As far as the call on the river goes everyone agrees that its better than a shove?

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

given his stats it's weird that he waited until the river to raise. however, he's playing so many hands that in addition to slowplayed sets he could be raising weaker two pair hands.


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saying its "pretty wet" seems like an exaggeration. its not very dry but its not very wet either. all it really is is a club FD, and some of the suited hands have straight draws...not like most of his range is hitting/getting a draw here

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villain's vpip is 60, so this board is wet.

edit: it's wet anyway. if this board isn't wet, what is a wet board.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

i would probably just call the river raise as played. shoving can't bet terrible, but it would certainly be thin. fwiw, though, i really think you need to pot, pot, shove.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

agree to disagree then

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

I like the call, 140 bb is enough that if I'm torn between him having slow played trips and A2 and the posible straight I can live without throwing my stack in even with top two.

River raises still mean alot.

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Once he minraises that river, what range do you assign him? the only raise I can make is to put him AI. Would that be too reckless?

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Aces over, a T9 straight, 54 possible, especially suited in [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], maybe AK. The straight seems too likely for me to want to reraise.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

I think call is fine, though it's close. A lot of the time he will actually just call down with a weaker 2 pair (ie he wont put that minraise in on the river.)

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What is your definition of a wet flop?

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

You played this hand fine, the river call is an absolute must given the amount in the pot. From a villain running 60/10/2, this could easily be a random two pair or a hand like AJ+. Sometimes you will run into a straight or set here, but folding is just incorrect given the amount of times he shows up with garbage.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

i push the river all day long. what he got that beats you? 910 is about the only possibility as set normally try to get in all the money especially with the ace out there...

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

Why did you bet so little on the turn?
I would bet more here. And then bet the river and just call his minraise.

If you're scared that he has made his straight, and that's why you bet just a bit more than 1/2 potsize, then just c/c the river.

His range and minraising range here is huge imo. He could have a set, straight or just hit his two pair on the river. Any two pair other then A2 he would have raised earlier.
So with that range given, you have 46% equity.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

Bet more on the turn. As played I push the river, the only hand that i see that's really beating you is T9. I would assume that the villain would try to get more value out of the hand with a set by raising more on the river if he had it. I see this as a hand like A2 or AK.

Re: NL50, is this rivercall weak?
 

Bet closer to pot everywhere and 3b AI on the river.