check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (1.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: 3.5BB

Do you see a showdown here?

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

Looks fine to me. Pot is tiny, A-high and FD hit the river - i fold here against an unknown.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

yea looks fine, maybe if flush draw doesnt hit maybe call, i cant see what we beat here often enough to make this call

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

Yea, no way your ahead or chopping here.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

you guys all bet the turn? i almost never bet hands like this in 3w urp after flop cthru

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

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you guys all bet the turn? i almost never bet hands like this in 3w urp after flop cthru

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I think betting this turn is a pretty big mistake.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

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you guys all bet the turn? i almost never bet hands like this in 3w urp after flop cthru

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I think betting this turn is a pretty big mistake.

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agreed, then do we just check thru the river and hope they have air cuz we cant squeeze value from nething

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

I would definatly fold here, not much money in the pot anyway.

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Betting the turn is terrible IMO

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is there any merit to betting the flop? chances are no one hit it.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

Against blinds in an unraised pot does UTG check this flop thru with a flush draw?

Does he call turn with ace high on KQ55 board in a tiny pot?

I think you're chopping with a dry queen the vast majority of the time.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

Is betting this turn a mistake because we pay the same price to c/c the river and giving a free card doesn't really hurt us? ie the only card that really screws us up is possibly an A?

edit: Is JT folding for one bet in a small pot? I always have problems calling my oesd in tiny pots. I would think he should fold, but I have weak tight tendencies.

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

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Betting the turn is terrible IMO

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Can't we get value from flush draws, JT, small pairs, and ace high?

Re: check/fold river with midpair, small pot
 

BB has a random hand minus the best hands he raise PF

UTG open limped. So his range is huge here as well

If any of them have a fd why didnt they bet the flop? Those need to be discounted

UTG might bet the flop with A high as well, so discount those.

If any of them picked up a straight draw they prolly bet when checked to.

It is highly doubtfull whether these opponenets put in a bet against a bet with a hand they wouldnt have bet for them selves

Now add all the times someone will take a stab at the pot with a hand that doesnt call a bet. This would be huge for you.

Betting marginal hands for value in tiny pots on dry boards where your opponenets both have HUGE ranges is bad poker

EDIT: Excuse me. Change that to:

Betting marginal hands for value in tiny pots on dry boards where your opponenets both have HUGE ranges of which the vast majority is going to fold to a bet is bad poker. E.g: Betting 22 on 433 flop 3-way is not bad as your average fish is calling any2 cards on that flop.

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is there any merit to betting the flop? chances are no one hit it.

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yes. fwiw, i bet a ton of flops out of the blinds 2/3 handed.