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Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $198.40
SB: $328.20
sh58 (BB): $228.90
UTG: $42
CO: $200.55

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to sh58 (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $6</font>, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, SB calls $5, <font color="red">sh58 raises to $40</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $198.40 and is All-In</font>, SB folds, sh58 ?????

UTG Shortstack is nit
1st caller maniac
overcaller (villain) 28/10

what on earth is going on here.

i couldn't put him on a hand. sometimes people do this with midpairs, that is all i could think of

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probably flipping.

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Dive, Dive, Dive... Down periscope..
Ooga---Ooga---Ooga
Muck, Muck, Muck

Live to fight another day..
My 2c,
The_Bowler

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auto call

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Dive, Dive, Dive... Down periscope..
Ooga---Ooga---Ooga
Muck, Muck, Muck

Live to fight another day..
My 2c,
The_Bowler

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Bowler,
Saw you where wondering where to get a poker grapher, here you go, the thread you made that post in got locked.
Poker Grapher and you'll need Poker Tracker, too.

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I snap fold this vs a 28/10.

His 4 bet all in range is pretty much only AA.

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Call all day. You're either flipping or have him dominated. I could see him having JJ a very very small percentage of the time, but any other hands that beat you he is almost certianly 3betting.

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I snap fold this vs a 28/10.

His 4 bet all in range is pretty much only AA.

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yeah you'd think AA my be in his 3betting range too

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I snap fold this vs a 28/10.

His 4 bet all in range is pretty much only AA.

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Not if he thinks you're trying to squeeze. Also there is almost no way he isn't going to 3bet here.

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OK there's $63 dead in the pot and it's $158 to win a total of $261. I'm crappy at math but can this really be a snapcall when we're basically hoping to be flipping? How often is a 28/10 showing up here w/ 99 and down?

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we need 37% equity

we have 36% against QQ+, AK+ so i guess a call is in order.

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I'd call. JJ is really the only hand I can see him having that has you in bad shape. Most likely you are flipping against AK, AQs...

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OK there's $63 dead in the pot and it's $158 to win a total of $261. I'm crappy at math but can this really be a snapcall when we're basically hoping to be flipping? How often is a 28/10 showing up here w/ 99 and down?

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I thought there were two callers inbetwee the original raiser and the button, so I guess it's more likely now that villian could be donking up QQ-AA, I still think it's a call though. Most people don't hesitate to reraise with QQ plus though in this situation. You'd be suprised what villian's will show up with here, I seem to find that a lot of the time they think you are trying to squeeze and push with all types of crap from small pocket pairs to weak aces.

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OK there's $63 dead in the pot and it's $158 to win a total of $261. I'm crappy at math but can this really be a snapcall when we're basically hoping to be flipping? How often is a 28/10 showing up here w/ 99 and down?

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I thought there were two callers inbetwee the original raiser and the button, so I guess it's more likely now that villian could be donking up QQ-AA, I still think it's a call though. Most people don't hesitate to reraise with QQ plus though in this situation. You'd be suprised what villian's will show up with here, I seem to find that a lot of the time they think you are trying to squeeze and push with all types of crap from small pocket pairs to weak aces.

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UTG raiser then 1 caller, then the villain, then another guy, then i squeeze, 2 folds. villain shoves

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yeah call

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probably flipping.

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I'm calling here

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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how did you know. omg soulreader

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flat-calling pf &gt; raising, right?

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I did this w/ AA yesterday, so fold.

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So much dead money and your line could be a flashback for villain when some stole his call with 66 and showed. Call.

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I snap fold this vs a 28/10.

His 4 bet all in range is pretty much only AA.

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This is QQ+/AK if you (or the SB) are an auto-squeezer.

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I snap fold this vs a 28/10.

His 4 bet all in range is pretty much only AA.

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This is QQ+/AK if you (or the SB) are an auto-squeezer.

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i'm not a big squeezer, i don't think villain has seen me squeeze in the past, and i'm not sure he is proficient to plan ahead like that, i think he is more the type of person who just reacts to things as they happen

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flat-calling pf &gt; raising, right?

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you think i should flat call with TT in that spot.

just play for set value? thats pretty bad imo.

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Easiest call ever.

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Whats your main reason for raising?

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flat-calling pf &gt; raising, right?

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you think i should flat call with TT in that spot.

just play for set value? thats pretty bad imo.

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no you are playing for pair value as well. def not horrible just calling here at times. i call like 1 out of 5 times

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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how did you know. omg soulreader

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Did he really?

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I would probably fold. I don't like playing for a stack with 1010 regardless of what this guy could have.

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I might just call pf given that UTG is a nit. As played, I'm calling, I think the button generally would have 3-bet a higher PP pf.

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I would probably fold. I don't like playing for a stack with 1010 regardless of what this guy could have.

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if you fold TT preflop for 100 BBs when the guy plays 100/100/inf then i will cry.

but on a more real note there are plenty of reasons why you need to play for stacks with TT from time to time, ie range.

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fwiw the UTG raiser raises things like 77 UTG which we crush and other things that we flip with, we are well ahead of his range. there is soooo much dead money in the pot, and the chance of someone having a hand is very remote imo, and i don't like the prospect of playing 5 way with a vulnerable hand like TT. i prefer to push my equity PF

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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how did you know. omg soulreader

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Did he really?

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yeah somehow he showed up with QQ. these plays just bewilder me completely. overcalling with a hand like that is pretty odd

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I have actually done this once or twice when I had an aggressive opponent behind me who loved to squeeze. Thought it was a pretty good move at the time as he did indeed squeeze me and folded to a push.

In fact I think I had QQ too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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how did you know. omg soulreader

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Did he really?

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yeah somehow he showed up with QQ. these plays just bewilder me completely. overcalling with a hand like that is pretty odd

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by "odd" do u mean retarded?

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He has QQ everytime aahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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how did you know. omg soulreader

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Did he really?

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yeah somehow he showed up with QQ. these plays just bewilder me completely. overcalling with a hand like that is pretty odd

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by "odd" do u mean retarded?

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In this hand it is retarded, but I think there is merit for this move w/ AA,KK vs ONE player if the blinds have squeezers in them.

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QQ is about the worst hand to do this with, as you're usually not going to get squeezed and you won't like a lot of flops.

AA/AKs makes a lot more sense, but I'd still only do it with very aggressive players in the blinds.

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I found the hand.. I had KK. Not QQ.

I had a reliable read. One short stack player raised in MP, I called in the CO with KK and was about 75% sure the B would squeeze in that position. He did, the short stack called with 88 and I pushed.

If someone has squeezing almost as a default play, I fail to see how this would be bad even with JJ or QQ.

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I found the hand.. I had KK. Not QQ.

I had a reliable read. One short stack player raised in MP, I called in the CO with KK and was about 75% sure the B would squeeze in that position. He did, the short stack called with 88 and I pushed.

If someone has squeezing almost as a default play, I fail to see how this would be bad even with JJ or QQ.

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I flat from the button a lot with QQ+. It's not a bad option to mix in, especially if you flat with a lot of speculative hands as well and blinds are 3-betting more than just premiums.

If you're the type who 3-bets in position a lot, though, it's pretty terrible.