tons of spot like this
 

Do you call or fold ?

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $212.10
Hero (BTN): $215.40
SB: $190
BB: $117.45
UTG: $215
MP: $186.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, BB calls $12

Turn: ($39) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($39) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $20</font>

Re: tons of spot like this
 

Reads please!? &gt;95% of the time i just muck this. U are barely beating a bluff. Maybe it's a leak of mine?

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not much read, try to see it as a standard spot against a TAG

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Looks like he's valuebetting, without reads though, I say fold&gt;&gt;raise&gt;&gt;call

Edit: If he can read hands a raise here makes no sense at all, so I kind of dislike that too... still hardly ever think you're good here if you call.

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Well, some of the thinking nit-tags u can get rid of by secondbarreling, though the 6s is really no scarecard - he knows u opening a wide range from the button and can lay down a mid pp. Vs more looser players i think 2barreling here is total spew. As played i totally agree with riske.

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if you think his range is wide enough to call the river with, then you should have bet the turn

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A standard size bet from the button, continuation bet (slightly large tho) and then nothing on the turn. An overpair is all he is really fearing here, maybe you could have hit that board if youre stealing on the button, maybe. But it is a pretty profitable bet for him to make on the river if youre never gonna come back at him. I am tempted to do this for value, as well as to show (if he is observant) that I wont be pushed around

Re: tons of spot like this
 

continuation bet size is fine i would double barrel this.
As played fold river

Re: tons of spot like this
 

definetly double barrel a non fish on this board.

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This is really close IMO

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I really really don't like double-barreling the turn. How does the 6 change anything? Shouldn't a large chunk of Villain's range be mid pairs and suited connectors...which albeit infrequently this card could help? Any small pocket pair which the 6 would be an over-card to picked up an open-straight draw.

I also disagree with the post that you should bet the turn if you think you're good on the river. This is incorrect if you think the Villain will be betting the river as a bluff 100% of the time...or close to that.

As for the river in this case. I'd fold.

Re: tons of spot like this
 

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This is really close IMO

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whats close calling the river??

you think that were good here most of the time against a unknown?

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whats close calling the river??

you think that were good here most of the time against a unknown?

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I see semibad-bad players take this line A LOT with missed clubs.

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This is really close IMO

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whats close calling the river??

you think that were good here most of the time against a unknown?

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I see semibad-bad players take this line A LOT with missed clubs.

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i don't even think it's that bad of a line ... our hand is pretty face up and most tags don't call here with A high so why not bluff?

Re: tons of spot like this
 

for those saying double barrel, the 6 is not the card to do it on.

call riv with a read i.e. blocks rivers with missed draws etc.
no read, i fold.

Re: tons of spot like this
 

cmon seriously??? How often do you have to be right to call this? Answer: too often and even when you do its a split pot. An interesting stat is %Bet river here by villain. If its very high you have an interesting decision.

But seriously, fold.

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We dont have to win every pot where we are the pfr, and have no pair guys by the river guys.

This is a clear fold imo.

If I am even considering calling this then I would MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer betting the turn.

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He can have A5/A3/clubs enough to make calling fine. I'd bet turn though.

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if you think his range is wide enough to call the river with, then you should have bet the turn

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calling != bluffing

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if you think his range is wide enough to call the river with, then you should have bet the turn

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calling != bluffing

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sorry, i don't understand your comment...

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He can have A5/A3/clubs enough to make calling fine. I'd bet turn though.

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Yeah since you didn't bet the turn and the river is relatively harmless I think calling here is fine.

Re: tons of spot like this
 

What do you guys think of raising the river? I think its feasible that hero can show up with 42-46 here.

Re: tons of spot like this
 

Some kind of read on villain helps here. My default is to fold.

I also agree with Paul about firing 2 on this board.

Re: tons of spot like this
 

I also double barrel this board the majority of the time.