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efficacy 11-23-2007 07:42 AM

JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
Villain 35/25/2.5 over 400 hands, 34% WTSD

PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>

Oink 11-23-2007 07:47 AM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
I like

KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT should all be folding if not now then on any non broadway/8 turn.

With his lowish wtsd (small sample for that stat) its even possible he is folding 22, 33, 44, 55, 66 maybe even 88, TT

EDIT:
His stats are laggish. Are they filtered?

Just wanna add that this is only a play I would choose if I knew QJ, QT, KT was in his range. Against a TAG or a more regular 28/20 LAGTAG I am just c/c'ing.

1 more edit: If villain is prone to check pp's and Kx on the turn given your flop peel here c/c becomes a helluva lot better as well.

Also note that if your image is crappy this might not be +EV. Even against this guy. Against a player that seems in a spewish mode or if I know he will play WA/WB with Ax I am calling down bricks with KQ, KJ, KT on that board.


And just to make a preemptive strike against all the folders on this forum. If you ever c/f this flop you suck [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Hobbs. 11-23-2007 08:13 AM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
an easier way is to cap preflop.

TheHip41 11-23-2007 11:53 AM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
[ QUOTE ]
an easier way is to cap preflop.

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i've started capping with hands like this too.

Then I bet the flop and get raised 100% of the time.

Also, while this play looks nice on paper, my opponents have AK everytime I do it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Wolfram 11-23-2007 12:21 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
Although I don't do it frequently, I really like the idea of capping this pre-flop vs the right kind of opponent. It really increases your fold equity vs mid-low PP's and your equity isn't that bad against most of his range (I think).

Gonna start experimenting with this.

Oink 11-23-2007 12:28 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
I hate capping PF against a LAGTAG or LAG who is SD bound

You have no eq edge of the money going in - on the contrary - and your implied FE isnt gonna improve a lot

Wolfram 11-23-2007 12:40 PM

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I hate capping PF against a LAGTAG or LAG who is SD bound

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My ideal opponent wouldn't be SD bound. I realize that we are at an equity disadvantage vs his range, but I thought maybe we could make that up by getting him to fold 66-99 or whatever when an Ace shows up, or two brodways.

Maybe i'm just grasping for some fps in my game.

Oink 11-23-2007 12:45 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
Ya ok. I just thought we were talking about this 35/25 LAGTAG in this hand

johnnyrocket 11-23-2007 12:46 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
yea i dont like capping either, with position maybe, OOP against a LAG i think we are just bloating the pot making it tougher to play postflop

Apanage 11-23-2007 03:49 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
[ QUOTE ]
And just to make a preemptive strike against all the folders on this forum. If you ever c/f this flop you suck [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I find it a little bit easier to continue when I have 4 outs to the nuts than I have calling with 1 over to the board and a backdoor gsdraw. So I could peel this kind of flop.Doesn´t always do though.
I guess I suck at poker.

I think OP:s play is alright for reasons OINK stated. But still like to point out that a player poulation that has 34% WSD is not homogeneous. I have great respect for the 34%:s that have those stats because they´re constantly folding out others with hyperaggressive play.

FlopYouDead 11-23-2007 03:57 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
I thought the point of being a LAG was that you don't fold; you raise. This is going to be a resteal much of the time vs a LAG who 3 bets and flops an ace in those cases where he's missed.

milesdyson 11-23-2007 03:57 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
no one has ever check folded this flop in his LIFE.

remember that one thread oink made where everyone was like

"wow wtf are you doing calling that flop?"

that is how i feel about him thinking anyone ever check folds this flop.



OINK YOU ARE SUCH A RANDOM GUY SOMETIMES (xoxo)

Apanage 11-23-2007 06:48 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
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no one has ever check folded this flop in his LIFE.

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Sorry to say Miles.I do fold this flop when I have my major downswings.I´ll admit it is probably real bad poker.
But in the bottom of the abyss It feels that if I hit a pair on turn he is never going to have anything else than
an ace in his hand.Those times he hasn´t then he hits is K when he takes a freecard.
And when I hit my straight he never has an ace.

efficacy 11-23-2007 07:35 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
Villain 35/25/2.5 over 400 hands, 34% WTSD

PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]<font color="#0000FF"> (2 players)</font>
Hero...

johnnyrocket 11-23-2007 08:33 PM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
i have no idea nemore, this hand is bugging me

inferno 11-24-2007 05:41 AM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
turn should be a b/f

Oink 11-24-2007 11:17 AM

Re: JTs - Playing back at LAGTAG
 
Shoot again if you think he has reason to peel flop with KQ, KJ, QJ

If not I think its a c/f hoping he checks behind. People will check behind KK, QQ, JJ here a good portion of the time.


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