QA on QQJ board in a reraised pot
 

Hi, hand i played today, i want your comments on it please. Do you prefer to check turn instead of bet it? What do we do when he reraises us?
Villians stats:
65/7/1 over 200 hands,callingstation.
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.5
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: $79
Hero: $101
BB: $102

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6.5</font>, BB calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $17.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $79.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero?</font>,




Results:
Final pot: $

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Call he prob has AA this is RR pot and you flop trips and played it really weird with the so you look weak here

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Okey, how would you play on the flop and turn?

regards

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No need to go broke 200BB deep with that hand.
Villain doesnt seem to be aggressive, minraising preflop and AF 1. I cant see him holding Aces in that spot.
As he played it really looks like AK, maybe JJ, super donk could hold TT as well. I woulda C/R flop, when 10 hits on turn i check and try to call it down cheaply. If he´s going nuts with riverbet we´re in the same situation as now, but as played i don´t see a hand that you beat here 100BB deep.

I´d hate it, but sometimes mucking trips vs those stats is the right thing. Fold and hate it...go on and crush that guy with you holding the nuts!

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Why is your flop bet so big? I would bet about $4 and hope I get raised
As played, call on the turn, you beat AA and KK, that are likely, you have 9 outs to win and 3 outs to tie with AK, against JJ and TT you are almost dead, but given pot odds 1.9:1 it's easy call for me.

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Why is your flop bet so big? I would bet about $4 and hope I get raised
As played, call on the turn, you beat AA and KK, that are likely, you have 9 outs to win and 3 outs to tie with AK, against JJ and TT you are almost dead, but given pot odds 1.9:1 it's easy call for me.

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I was stuck and steamed, and wanted to bust him if he had had AA/KK. I wanted to play for the stacks.

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Who on earth is playing this line with KK or AA. Not even many donks i think. There are 2 Queens out there and strong action - as well on flop as on turn. If he´d hold AA/KK he´d raise the flop-bet since he was 3betting preflop as well IMO.

Then i think almost 2:1 with 9 outs to win/3 outs to tie is just not necessary. Why putting all the money on the line vs such a donk and not waiting for a better spot?

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Vpip 65 says he is not a good player, he can hold unexpected hands and make weird decisions. It says he is a donk, often inadequate and there is no way I'm laying such hand in this spot against him. Besides AF 1 is pretty high for playing 65% hands.

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Grunch....

Bet that turn all day and call that push.

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I am insta calling the turn. No way can I fold that hand to a player with those stats.

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Why is your flop bet so big? I would bet about $4 and hope I get raised
As played, call on the turn, you beat AA and KK, that are likely, you have 9 outs to win and 3 outs to tie with AK, against JJ and TT you are almost dead, but given pot odds 1.9:1 it's easy call for me.

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I was stuck and steamed, and wanted to bust him if he had had AA/KK. I wanted to play for the stacks.

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So, you wanted to play for stacks and... exactly what changed? Actually playing for stacks? I can´t see how playing like this and then folding can be a good idea vs any opponent. If you don´t think he will ever shove with worse, I really hate your flop and turn play.

As for the how the hand played out, callcallcallcallcallfistpumpcallcallcallcall.

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Put him on a decisions for all his chips

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He's not passive. Actually he's pretty aggressive for his VPIP. I can see him playing AA/KK like that and we have outs against AK/JJ so I call.

Also, I really like a flop CR!

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Why is your flop bet so big? I would bet about $4 and hope I get raised
As played, call on the turn, you beat AA and KK, that are likely, you have 9 outs to win and 3 outs to tie with AK, against JJ and TT you are almost dead, but given pot odds 1.9:1 it's easy call for me.

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I was stuck and steamed, and wanted to bust him if he had had AA/KK. I wanted to play for the stacks.

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So, you wanted to play for stacks and... exactly what changed? Actually playing for stacks? I can´t see how playing like this and then folding can be a good idea vs any opponent. If you don´t think he will ever shove with worse, I really hate your flop and turn play.

As for the how the hand played out, callcallcallcallcallfistpumpcallcallcallcall.

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I mean i wanted to play for the stacks, but I did not like turn(he may have AK) and Im not sure if playing for stacks against this opponent is right in this spot.

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Im thinking about C/R flop, If someone checkraised me in this spot when I had aces I would put villian on three of a kind. I think I would get away with my overpair on the turn..but this player is a callingstat/fish who played bad earlier tonight against other players and got lucky, he may not release AA/KK here...I think C/R screams strentgh

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can't find a fold here..shove.

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Do you generally think its a better idea when you flop set to C/R rather than bet right into preflopagressor ?

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In general I dont lead when I flop trips if its HU but that could be wrong. I dont lead when I flop a set either if its HU. If its multiway I lead with sets. Donking isnt really a big part of my game but hey, Im always up for new ideas.

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Ok. Are you ready for the results?
I called and he had K9. The turn gave him a straight.

Turn was a blank and he won the pot. I wonder if he would fold his straightdraw if i would C/R instead of donk?

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I am insta calling the turn. No way can I fold that hand to a player with those stats.

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I prolly cant even fold against a player with better looking stats. Easy call here indeed.

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Ok. Are you ready for the results?
I called and he had K9. The turn gave him a straight.

Turn was a blank and he won the pot. I wonder if he would fold his straightdraw if i would C/R instead of donk?

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Normally you can expect a contibet HU, but in this case he would probable took the freecard...

But I like c/r flop here! I do not think AK can call this flop-donk, can it??

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i guess i'm the only one that thinks calling this is a spew.

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Ok. Are you ready for the results?
I called and he had K9. The turn gave him a straight.

Turn was a blank and he won the pot. I wonder if he would fold his straightdraw if i would C/R instead of donk?

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Normally you can expect a contibet HU, but in this case he would probable took the freecard...

But I like c/r flop here! I do not think AK can call this flop-donk, can it??

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K9 called it, so yeah AK would have too.

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well he plays alot of hands, but is raising 7%. So his 3 bet range could very likley be : TT, JJ, KK, AA, AK, KQ, AQ, AJ

The fact that his PF 3bet is a minraise would probably wieght it more to KK, AA, AK.

i like the flop lead

really tough decision here , i think alot of villains would play KK / AA the same as Ak in this spot too

heat of the moment i reluctantly call hoping to see AA, KK or a Q on the river

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above post obv grunched

after reading replies: A) add this guy to buddy list?
B) don't forget TRIPS do not equal SETS OP
C) played fine, villain was a super donk

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i guess i'm the only one that thinks calling this is a spew.

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i felt very convinced that AA/ KK was much mroe likely than Ak after PF 3 bet

i was wrong but it is pretty strange to be 3 bet MIN- raised by a calling station with K9 PF... my reads usually tell me that any PF min raise is often AA, whereas larger 3 bets tend to be JJ-KK sometimes AK


PS. would like to hear why you think its more on the spew side though

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i guess i'm the only one that thinks calling this is a spew.

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Not the only one. But enough people on the other side of this to make me think twice.

I'm still pretty sure it's spew. 200BB, people tend to get really "honest" about their hands. When I think honesty, I look to made hands -- and we're behind an awful lot of made hands. In fact, ours is in the bottom third. That turn card couldn't have sucked worse.