FTOPS 2.5k Hand Reading Excercise
 

This hand takes place with like 45 People left. ITM Blinds are 800/1600/200.

8 handed

UTG + 1 has 160k he has been playing fairly tight, not overly tight but about what you would except for a full ring game. Hasn't really got involved in many big pots.
SB has 80k he has been playing looser and more passive. Not a big call box but he's been cold calling some pfrs and stuff. He's not going to stack off super light or anything.
BB has 40k Playing pretty solid he has been short so hasn't really played many pots but seems to have some idea how to pushbot etc..

UTG +1 raises t4200 folds to SB calls BB tanks for a bit and overcalls.

Flop is A8Tr
BB checks SB thinks for a bout 20 seconds and bets 9k into 15k pot.

What do you think SB has?

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nothing, end of thread

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Wait what?

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Kind of a weird spot.

Some bad players flat AT-AQ here and lead it, though most bad players will go for the check raise with AT on this flop. I guess if you put a gun to my head and made me pick a hand, AQ for SB, since most know to fold AJ here (though plenty don't.)

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I feel like he can have all sorts of [censored] here.

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I would say this is a pretty big hand, A10, 1010 or 88 imo. Obv his range his wider but it but leading into the pfr 3 ways looks very strong

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id either put the small blind on like a 7 s or 888 cus he could be bad accoring to ur description, cc with a lot of hands. I think his hands are weighted more towards hands like weak aces "betting for information".

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Why does BB act first?

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BB checks SB thinks for a bout 20 seconds and bets 9k into 15k pot.

What do you think SB has?

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A time machine?

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BB checks SB thinks for a bout 20 seconds and bets 9k into 15k pot.

What do you think SB has?

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A time machine?

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LOL

i have to agree leading into pfr 3-way on rainbow flop i would say a pretty big hand. ATs 88 AQ+ etc. yes, i know pretty specific and range is a lot wider yadda yadda...

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Oops my bad sb checks bb bets

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since you corrected yourself and said it was BB, I would say his range is likely a weak Ace that is betting trying to sandwich UTG+1. SB knows that UTG will probably let any hand that is not an Ace go. I think it is either a weak drawing hand like J9 or a weak Ace. I don't think that sb is going to be into the Preflop raise with 88 or TT or even AT.

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888 seems really likely to me. He's pretty much always shoving 1010/AK. I guess AQ is a possibility but he'd have to be way worse than we've given him credit for to play it this way...same with him getting in there with AJ/AT preflop.

so yeah, 88 with a chance of AQ/AJ/AT....and despite what the great Mr. Jones says, I'd guess very very rarely air.

Oh. an P.S. if he has an A he is always tank-calling to a shove.

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BB is getting huge odds to call yet he goes into the tank out of respect to the EP raise. The only things he should be thinking about here are whether to reraise but just calls, which narrows him to AK, AQ, TT, JJ or deciding whether to set mine with smaller pairs. With stacks fairly deep here the answer to set mining should be yes. He's not squeezing with garbage, the other two players are in the wrong positions.

When that flop comes he bets into the EP raise against a fairly dry board. He should bet out with any sets because the A on the board will scare away EP pairs from betting, and an EP Ace will still give him action, but he's also probably betting out AK, AQ to get some definition to the hand and with the gutter. JJ prolly bets to test for the A as well.

I dont see any way to narrow him beyond that.

Edit: MLG why does he shove AK,TT and why isnt JJ in his range? Thanks in advance.

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I was bb Aejones was right.