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Zygote 11-21-2007 07:22 PM

Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups?
 
Does any know which of the current presidential candidates are in groups like the free masons, skull and bones, bohemian grove, etc....

im looking at Nielso for an answer in the least.

GoodCallYouWin 11-21-2007 08:15 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
skull and bones ftw?

Cumulonimbus 11-21-2007 08:52 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that all of the top-tier pushed candidates are involved in some way shape or form. Billary most definitely, Guiliani has strong ties, there's more but I'm in a hurry. A more fundamental understanding of how these groups work will make you realize that pretty much anybody that gets elected (save Ron Paul obv) is or will be heavily involved in these societies.

Zygote 11-21-2007 08:56 PM

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Billary most definitely

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yea this seems obvious. I read bill is involved and that says enough. Considering they essentially got Bush's endorsement too doesnt mean good things for those keen on keeping the power away from the few.

PLOlover 11-21-2007 09:04 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
I've heard the mormon guy is basically a good guy but that if he wins he will be controlled like reagan was.

Cumulonimbus 11-21-2007 09:07 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
even without her the most likely outcome is a puppet prez wins the nomination for them. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is just speculation of course, but I'd bet my roll on it. It's either gonna be RP or a continuation of the advancement of their agenda imo.

vulturesrow 11-21-2007 09:12 PM

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...foilcatbot.jpg

Cumulonimbus 11-21-2007 09:28 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
there's no dumb story here, just recent history. Lumping this topic in with other conspiracy nonsense is very very foolish imo.

boracay 11-21-2007 09:37 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
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Does any know which of the current presidential candidates are in groups like the free masons, skull and bones, bohemian grove, etc....

im looking at Nielso for an answer in the least.

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"I mean, what's the elections? You know, two guys, same background, wealth, political influence, went to the same elite university, joined the same secret society where you're trained to be a ruler - they both can run because they're financed by the same corporate institutions." - Noam Chomsky

Bush and Kerry - Skulls and Bones Brothers

Except Ron Paul all leading candidates are members of the Council of the Foreign Relations at least.

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After reading the quotes below you will see that the CFR is not working to strengthen the U.S., they are not working to better the average American’s economic well-being, they are not working to ensure our Nation is safe from foreign invaders and they are not working to preserve the Constitutional protections we all should enjoy.

[/ QUOTE ] The CFR And The 2008 Presidential Candidates

canis582 11-21-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
The secret society is AIPAC

Cumulonimbus 11-21-2007 09:46 PM

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Except Ron Paul all leading candidates are members of the Council of the Foreign Relations at least.

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oh yeah, forgot that! Key point.

Dan. 11-21-2007 11:18 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
How would you know if they're secret?

DVaut1 11-21-2007 11:20 PM

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How would you know if they're secret?

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internets ldo

vulturesrow 11-21-2007 11:52 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
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there's no dumb story here, just recent history. Lumping this topic in with other conspiracy nonsense is very very foolish imo.

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I dont consider it nonsense at all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...-shall-rul.jpg

JackWhite 11-22-2007 12:16 AM

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there's no dumb story here, just recent history. Lumping this topic in with other conspiracy nonsense is very very foolish imo.



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It may be foolish, but it is necessary. As you have obviously noticed, certain issues are not really allowed to be discussed in polite society. If you ever bring up certain issues (which must remain nameless) you are ridiculed as a way of stopping any potential discussion. I believe in an open dialogue about issues, many don't.

Borodog 11-22-2007 12:26 AM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups?
 
I am.

Edit: Sorry, misread OP. Thought you meant any current poster. Nevermind. I am not involved in any secret societies afaik.

vulturesrow 11-22-2007 12:49 AM

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there's no dumb story here, just recent history. Lumping this topic in with other conspiracy nonsense is very very foolish imo.



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It may be foolish, but it is necessary. As you have obviously noticed, certain issues are not really allowed to be discussed in polite society. If you ever bring up certain issues (which must remain nameless) you are ridiculed as a way of stopping any potential discussion. I believe in an open dialogue about issues, many don't.

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Very cleverly worded jab. Well played sir!

Edit: Almost forgot;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._internets.jpg

gobbomom 11-22-2007 10:01 AM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
Here are the lists of Bilderberg, CFR, and TC members:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bball.htm

http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm#participants

duvalinalong 11-22-2007 08:04 PM

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Here are the lists of Bilderberg, CFR, and TC members:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bball.htm

http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm#participants

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bilderberg group.
The bilderberg group is heavily involved in this years
Presidential run. Stay far away from any secret society based on religion they are far worse than the bildergerers.

Find out more about the bilderberg group

www.prisonplanet.com

it's important not to rush to judgement about any secret society, but there is no doubt these people have plans about global governance. I totaly disagree with them. When we talk globalization it should be economic globalization not global government which could be a horrible disaster.

www.prisonplanet.com

brought to you by Secret Agent Duval (aka secretariat)

bobman0330 11-22-2007 08:11 PM

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I am.

Edit: Sorry, misread OP. Thought you meant any current poster. Nevermind. I am not involved in any secret societies afaik.


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Sounds like something someone in a secret society would say...

Misfire 11-22-2007 08:44 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups?
 
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Does any know which of the current presidential candidates are in groups like the free masons, skull and bones, bohemian grove, etc....

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Does the Rose Law Firm count?

Tornado69 11-22-2007 10:13 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups?
 
Tyranny, Revolt, Revolution, Repeat. People should not have a closed mind when it comes to governments. Do you really find it impossible for a person to gain such high political or business powers that he/she/they don't want to give it up ? Will do anything to attain it? It happens all over the world and has happened for centuries, what makes you think it can't happen to you ? Will never happen again? Do you think people in Nazi Germany really realized how much control they were under ? What do people with power and money want ? More power and money. Greed is such a common theme for a lot of human beings.

Tornado69 11-22-2007 10:31 PM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups?
 
All candidates except Ron Paul are CFR members, so is 99% of the MSM in the US. General Electric, News Corporation, Time Warner, Walt Disney. Why is there such a push from these media outlets for CFR members to be president ? How could Ron Paul POSSIBLY not be the best choice for president? Because he's for the people and not the big corporations who are also apart of the CFR ?

David Rockefeller's infamous quote ""We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." - In an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

David Rockefeller, former head of CFR for 15 years and honorable chairman of it. Hence the European Union/Euro and North American Union/Amero. Amazes me just how blind people are to the information that is right out from of it. Instead they ignore and go back to the people brainwashing them and just call them 'crazy' with absolutely no facts backign why they are considered 'crazy'.

DustinG 11-23-2007 02:16 AM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
sorry for making such a low-content contribution as my first post in this forum, but the smirk on Cheney's face at the end of this video is great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg (obv not a rickroll)

Tornado69 11-23-2007 02:28 AM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
Another Rockefeller quote from his own memoirs

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

- From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405)

Sickens me that the sheep just can't wake up ...

A_C_Slater 11-23-2007 06:26 AM

Re: Are any current candidates invovled in secret-society style groups
 
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Another Rockefeller quote from his own memoirs

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

- From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405)

Sickens me that the sheep just can't wake up ...

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How dare he try to strengthen the world economy! That bastard! You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

Nevermind. My sources tell me that Hiliary Clinton is a 6th degree Illuminatus witch and she sacrifices infants to Moloch in exchange for sacred kundalini powers.

PLOlover 11-23-2007 05:29 PM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

GoodCallYouWin 11-23-2007 05:41 PM

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"You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?"

Not while I've still got access to guns and ammunition it won't!

A_C_Slater 11-24-2007 02:45 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

PLOlover 11-24-2007 03:02 AM

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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ok, I'm assuming you're answering "yes" to my star trek question.

ConstantineX 11-24-2007 03:02 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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Do you really think you can predict 1000 years forward?

AlexM 11-24-2007 03:24 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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Languages? Maybe not. Countries? If we move away from freedom, less countries, if we move towards it, more.

A_C_Slater 11-24-2007 03:33 AM

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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ok, I'm assuming you're answering "yes" to my star trek question.

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So just because a science fiction television show from the 1960's once postulated the possibility that the Earth would be united under a one world goverment means that such a thing is just mastubatory fantasy?

A_C_Slater 11-24-2007 03:37 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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Do you really think you can predict 1000 years forward?

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I believe I can reasonably expect life spans to increase and the world to become more homogenous, just as it always has in the past.

AlexM 11-24-2007 05:15 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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Do you really think you can predict 1000 years forward?

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I believe I can reasonably expect life spans to increase and the world to become more homogenous, just as it always has in the past.

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This hasn't led to less countries though, and even if it did, you'd need another few... million... years to get THAT homogenous.

boracay 11-24-2007 06:28 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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I'd be very skeptical about prognosis for 1000 years ahead in climatology or biological diversity let alone politology.
I'd be interested why you think that since the number of countries is growing constantly (check the history and number of countries in 1000, 1900, 1950, 1970, 1990, 2007; some projections predict over 280 countries for 2050). Based on that i'd say the number of countries would be increasing unless of an extreme use of terror and conquering leaded by superpowers. Independence mean liberty and freedom and i don't think Hitler's ideas could prevail some day. If you mean that by growing economic unions (EU, ASEAN, NAFTA, CARICOM, etc.), those are not reducing liberties / freedom but rather increasing the power of smaller countries, their rights and democracy.

maxtower 11-24-2007 06:35 AM

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I heard that Ron Paul was a "Libertarian"

A_C_Slater 11-24-2007 07:58 AM

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You do realize that eventually the world will have to unite under a single government, right?

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nice begging the question.

you base that on star trek or what?

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Do you really think that in a thousand years the Earth will be divided up into separate countries/languages?

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I'd be very skeptical about prognosis for 1000 years ahead in climatology or biological diversity let alone politology.
I'd be interested why you think that since the number of countries is growing constantly (check the history and number of countries in 1000, 1900, 1950, 1970, 1990, 2007; some projections predict over 280 countries for 2050). Based on that i'd say the number of countries would be increasing unless of an extreme use of terror and conquering leaded by superpowers. Independence mean liberty and freedom and i don't think Hitler's ideas could prevail some day. If you mean that by growing economic unions (EU, ASEAN, NAFTA, CARICOM, etc.), those are not reducing liberties / freedom but rather increasing the power of smaller countries, their rights and democracy.

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By one world I only mean that the world will freely share all available resources and information. It doesn't matter what the different regions of the world (or "countries") are called. What I mean is that there will be no war between countries for material purposes, IF we are still around in a 1000 years. We might not be since factions will go to war to keep the evil ruling elitist scum from having a unified world government with a microchipped population that will be monitored 24/7 and they will break into your home and rape your wife and daughter at their leisure because they will always know where you are and then they will send you to forced labor camp and make you break stones forever, "just because we can." [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]










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