NL1k draw oop
 

* Game ID 875012251 starting - 2007-11-21 23:48:00
** Howard City [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Hero sitting in seat 1 with $1005.00
- Big_Bok sitting in seat 2 with $1008.20
- kaveh85 sitting in seat 3 with $1332.50
- Villian sitting in seat 4 with $1570.72 [Dealer]
- Zagros sitting in seat 5 with $1164.39
- Hofmeister78 sitting in seat 6 with $470.84

Zagros posted the small blind - $5.00
Hofmeister78 posted the big blind - $10.00

** Dealing card to Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero raised - $40.00
Big_Bok folded
kaveh85 folded
Villian called - $40.00
Zagros called - $40.00
Hofmeister78 folded

** Dealing the flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Zagros checked
Hero bet - $100.00
Villian raised - $300.00
Zagros folded
Hero?

Villian appears to be TAG, but only like 80 hands. How do you continue?

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call prob

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I shove.

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calling sucks cause all our outs prob. wont get us action and a K is just confusing.

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We can get paid, more than just our draw out there

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I get it in, because our equity is probably okay and it always good to let people now that you shove with draws.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.136% 40.20% 07.94% 28655 5656.50 { KJs }
Hand 1: 51.864% 43.93% 07.94% 31312 5656.50 { TT, 77, KJs, QTs, J9s, 98s

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I was thinking same as Laetus. He might have some worse draws. Problem is will he raise with those on this flop or only call?

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there's no reason to put J9s or 98s in that range because he'll never call an all-in with those hands

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I was thinking same as Laetus. He might have some worse draws. Problem is will he raise with those on this flop or only call?

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It's a good board to CB for you, so in his eyes a raise has it merits. And he has not to raise a worse draw very often to make a push decent. He can also have air in this spot sometimes.

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there's no reason to put J9s or 98s in that range because he'll never call an all-in with those hands

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What is your pushing range?

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I was thinking same as Laetus. He might have some worse draws. Problem is will he raise with those on this flop or only call?

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It's a good board to CB for you, so in his eyes a raise has it merits. And he has not to raise a worse draw very often to make a push decent. He can also have air in this spot sometimes.

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How much does having a 3rd player in the pot affect his air %?

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I was thinking same as Laetus. He might have some worse draws. Problem is will he raise with those on this flop or only call?

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It's a good board to CB for you, so in his eyes a raise has it merits. And he has not to raise a worse draw very often to make a push decent. He can also have air in this spot sometimes.

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How much does having a 3rd player in the pot affect his air %?

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Very tough to say. Depends on how he views you and how the third guy is playing. But it decreases pretty much for sure. But my point was that there is some % of air is his range, which makes our push more +EV.

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I get it in, because our equity is probably okay and it always good to let people now that you shove with draws.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.136% 40.20% 07.94% 28655 5656.50 { KJs }
Hand 1: 51.864% 43.93% 07.94% 31312 5656.50 { TT, 77, KJs, QTs, J9s, 98s

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I think the draw to made hand ratio is going to be off in this sim.

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there's no reason to put J9s or 98s in that range because he'll never call an all-in with those hands

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Really? He is getting 1 to 2.1, so he almost has the odds. And I seriously doupt he is raise-folding this flop.

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There is definitely no guarantee we get paid when we hit. Pushing gets us paid with our sets and otherwise monstrous hands later on. If we call what do we do to a large turn bet? Push it.

3rd player in the pot whom we have position on makes it look like more of a call.

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there's no reason to put J9s or 98s in that range because he'll never call an all-in with those hands

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Really? He is getting 1 to 2.1, so he almost has the odds. And I seriously doupt he is raise-folding this flop.

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Ya, now way he's raise/folding for sure.

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i would call your sure