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An Open Letter in Response to a PM
My Dearest DcifrThs,
Not good enough. Remember that one? Here is what you need to publicly apologize for before we can talk about the money supply: A) Personally insulting me by saying that I, among other "ACists" and Austrians "regurgitate drivel." B) Personally insulting me by calling me dense and continuing with your erroneous claims about what the Austrians say after I corrected you about what Austrians claim about the relationship between the Fed's interest rate target, the increase of the money supply, and the actual change of interest rates. C) Trying to change the subject from the above to a passing remark about M3 to avoid having to admit you were wrong about what the Austrians claim, and an insulting jerk to boot, or apologize for it. D) Personally insulting me in the title (and OP) of a purposefully deceptive thread designed to accomplish (C) that I have to look at every single [censored] day. If you publicly acknowledge each and every one of these things and apologize for them, in this thread, and promise not to be a jackass, then we can have a polite discussion about the money supply. Four little things. That's all it takes. Warmest Regards, Borodog |
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Very very lame, imo.
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get over yourself
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Wow
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My Dearest DcifrThs, Politics Survivor!!GogogoGOGOGOGOGOgoGOGOGogOGogoooo! Warmest Regards, Borodog [/ QUOTE ] FYP?? |
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lol, in before wrist cutting.
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You're my favorite poster on this board by a huge huge margin Borodog. You're better than this.
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you both are crazy fwiw
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Borodog, there is no need to create a new thread when the main one currently exists. [/ QUOTE ] Of course there is. I refuse to participate further in a thread whose explicitly stated purpose was to troll me, and whose implicit purpose was to distort the truth in an attempt to make me look bad, and whose title instructs people to "not listen to borodog's drivel." [ QUOTE ] A) I do apologize for implying that all ACists and Austrians regurgitate drivel. i agree with a lot of the thoughts of austrians (don't really have a clear handle on ACists beliefs) as has been shown time and again. what i do not like is how many followers of people who are well informed (i.e. you) DO end up regurgitating drivel (i.e. childish utterances) without understanding what is going on. [/ QUOTE ] Accepted. That's one. [ QUOTE ] B) in no way shape or form did i ever misstate what the order of operations was in terms of interest rate and money supply. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like I am in a Kafka short story. When did I ever state that you misstated what the order of operations was in terms of interest rate and money supply? I didn't because you didn't. What you did do, for the one thousandth time, was indicate that the Austrians made mistaken claims about what the order of operations was in terms of interest rate and money supply: "this sounds like some typical drivel regurgitated from ACists or something (or austrians or whatever group is always commenting on the demise of the dollar). / first off, the statement is totally backwards . . . " That is an exact quote. That is what you said. Then you proceded to describe the situation the same way the Austrians do, indicating that apparently the Austrians are neither backwards nor regurgitating drivel. I pointed this out to you, and then you said: "the situation exactly as the austrians describe it (i.e. what the OP said) is not how it actually works in reality despite the fact that the result is the same." Thus reiterating your claim that the Austrians have it backward, like the OP, and that it is incorrect. I corrected you once more, and you proceeded to call me dense and attempt to change the subject to M3. I've written this several times now. I don't know how to make it clearer. I've quoted your exact words and their meaning seems pretty explicit to me. [ QUOTE ] please simply post here what you are implying i misstated or got wrong here. the only thing i can think of you meaning here is that i "put the cart before the horse" (i.e. in laying out the actions that lead to an interest rate drop i stated that money is released then itnerest rates fall rather than acknowledging that the intent to reduce interest rates was the main driver and the releasing of money, though the precipitating cause, was, in effect, the cart) [/ QUOTE ] The "cart before the horse" analogy was simply to establish that the purpose of expanding the money supply is to hit the interest rate target. I don't think this was ever in contention by anybody. I just wanted to emphasize it, lest the intent (to lower the interest rate) be lost behind the mechanism (increasing the money supply). [ QUOTE ] C) i do apologize for being a jerk, but more so to the forums than to you. [/ QUOTE ] Unacceptable. Where I come from when you personally insult someone, that requires a personal apology. [ QUOTE ] also i wasn't wrong about anyting i've stated and you seem to need to "teach" me about the fed's open market operations. that i clearly do not need nor did i say anything wrong in terms of the order or literal operations. the only thing i could have misstated (and please post and make me eat my own words if i'm wrong) was the intent vs. actions thing i mentioned. [/ QUOTE ] I never tried to "teach" you jack [censored] about open market ops. I was simply PROVING that the Austrians say EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT YOU DO, which you had denied. I have already axplained this explicitly as well, in the other thread. What this leads me to believe is that you don't actually READ the posts you are responding to, which leaves me in doubt as to whether we can EVER have any kind of meaningful discussion without getting sidetracked by ridiculous things. I mean, why am I wasting my time on this post? I have little evidence that you will read it and try to understand it before firing off some cockeyed response that misses the point of or misconstrues half of what I've said. |
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Dude, are you drunk or something? Because this does not look too good.....
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lol
So i normally read some other forums and decided (BORDEM OCCURED) to take a look at the politics forum as i have never done. For whatever reason this is the first thread i opened... is this the kind of crap i should expect while i continue reading this forum? Seems like this thread is just all about one person's obsession with how they are perceived by others and their consequent whinefest. Have we gotten ourselvs so involved here at "2+2 Policitcs" that we have to resort to this petty immature crap? Borodog, Even though i havent read the previous thread mentioned here where you were... disrespected, and therefore wont/cant comment on the nature of what happened and certainly dont want to take away from any wrongdoing you may have suffered... I can still say that much much worse has been said between two people here on 2+2 and if you care this much... you probably need a break from 2+2. |
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Uhm, what's with all the haters? I don't get it.
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lol So i normally read some other forums and decided (BORDEM OCCURED) to take a look at the politics forum as i have never done. For whatever reason this is the first thread i opened... is this the kind of crap i should expect while i continue reading this forum? Seems like this thread is just all about one person's obsession with how they are perceived by others and their consequent whinefest. Have we gotten ourselvs so involved here at "2+2 Policitcs" that we have to resort to this petty immature crap? Borodog, Even though i havent read the previous thread mentioned here where you were... disrespected, and therefore wont/cant comment on the nature of what happened and certainly dont want to take away from any wrongdoing you may have suffered... I can still say that much much worse has been said between two people here on 2+2 and if you care this much... you probably need a break from 2+2. [/ QUOTE ] No, it usually doesnt degenerate to this. Its usually just a lot of fallacious logic, reliance on ideology that is based on faulty assumptions and intellectual dishonesty in the cloak of academia. |
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lol So i normally read some other forums and decided (BORDEM OCCURED) to take a look at the politics forum as i have never done. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, so you're one of the cool kids that wastes his time on the other 2+2 forums. Thanks for making that clear. [ QUOTE ] For whatever reason this is the first thread i opened... is this the kind of crap i should expect while i continue reading this forum? [/ QUOTE ] Most threads are not titled "An open letter in response to a PM," so if you wanted a non-personal OP you could have picked any thread other than this one (or the one titled "don't listen to borodog's drivel, etc."). [ QUOTE ] Seems like this thread is just all about one person's obsession with how they are perceived by others and their consequent whinefest. Have we gotten ourselvs so involved here at "2+2 Policitcs" that we have to resort to this petty immature crap? [/ QUOTE ] This thread has a some history to it, which you admit you haven't read and are apparently too cool to care about. I'm not sure why you're reading and responding. [ QUOTE ] Borodog, Even though i havent read the previous thread mentioned here where you were... disrespected, and therefore wont/cant comment on the nature of what happened and certainly dont want to take away from any wrongdoing you may have suffered... I can still say that much much worse has been said between two people here on 2+2 and if you care this much... you probably need a break from 2+2. [/ QUOTE ] What difference does it make how much he cares? He is just responding rationally to Barron's criticisms. If you have nothing rational to contribute, then don't contribute. Barron is the one who has (admittedly) flown off the deep end and been personally aggravated by what started off as nothing more than an economic discussion. If you think this is silly, don't read it and then try to add fuel to the fire. |
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ive had tensions with dcifr in the past but was settled much more civilly than this.
IMO, within the dispute they have to stop caring about going over every point and think more about statistical significance. Like Malmuth teaches: the little things in life just aren't worth getting panties up your ass for and often entails more costs than initially assumed. |
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[ QUOTE ] lol So i normally read some other forums and decided (BORDEM OCCURED) to take a look at the politics forum as i have never done. For whatever reason this is the first thread i opened... is this the kind of crap i should expect while i continue reading this forum? Seems like this thread is just all about one person's obsession with how they are perceived by others and their consequent whinefest. Have we gotten ourselvs so involved here at "2+2 Policitcs" that we have to resort to this petty immature crap? Borodog, Even though i havent read the previous thread mentioned here where you were... disrespected, and therefore wont/cant comment on the nature of what happened and certainly dont want to take away from any wrongdoing you may have suffered... I can still say that much much worse has been said between two people here on 2+2 and if you care this much... you probably need a break from 2+2. [/ QUOTE ] No, it usually doesnt degenerate to this. Its usually just a lot of fallacious logic, reliance on ideology that is based on faulty assumptions and intellectual dishonesty in the cloak of academia. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, I'm convinced by your amazing argument. I hereby officially renounce all versions of libertarianism! |
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IMO: 1. Borodog is a very knowledgeable and fun poster, as long as he doesn't get upset. 2. Borodog has a fuse shorter than Paris Hilton's attention span. 3. Borodog is correct in this case about DcifrThis misunderstanding what was written. 4. I find the AC ideology quite faulty. 5. DcifrThis possesses astonishing humility for a mod.
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This thread was a train wreck from the OP.
Not that I'm surprised Borodog sycophants such as yourself are ooohhh-so teary eyed about all the "mean haters" Boro has to suffer. I mean, it's not as if Boro has even been a giant douchebag on this forum. In a rational world, consistent turd attack throwers like Boro demanding apologies for 'personal attacks' would be laughed out of the room, but yeah, from his teenage fan club, I completely expect "ohh sniff, sniff, the haters, sniff, so mean and trolling our exalted leader, sniff". So rest assured your "why is everyone so mean and trolling sweet innocent Boro, sniff" response was completely expected and predictable. |
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Boro, why do you care about his apology? Why not just ignore him and pay attention to everyone else instead?
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I find the AC ideology quite faulty. [/ QUOTE ] you seem reasonable enough to consider some new views so care to share somewhere why you feel this is so? |
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Says a lot about you. [/ QUOTE ] zoe noes I'm losing AlexM's respect, how will I enjoy my Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow? Say it ain't so man, I want to choke down that stuffing somehow. Anymore righteous indignation from you and my Christmas just might be ruined too. |
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So I just noticed that you and ike aren't the same person. WTF@having the same avatar, but whatever. Dunno what your need is to resort to personal attack, but whatever.
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Uhm, what's with all the haters? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ] Really? Cody |
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[ QUOTE ] Says a lot about you. [/ QUOTE ] zoe noes I'm losing AlexM's respect, how will I enjoy my Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow? Say it ain't so man, I want to choke down that stuffing somehow. Anymore righteous indignation from you and my Christmas just might be ruined too. [/ QUOTE ] What is your problem? |
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So I just noticed that you and ike aren't the same person. WTF@having the same avatar [/ QUOTE ] He grifted my avatar, which I grifted from some other Michigan fans. I should actually probably change it now, given that we got pwned and we'll probably lose next year, too |
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[ QUOTE ] Uhm, what's with all the haters? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ] Really? Cody [/ QUOTE ] Ya, rly. Dci was a complete douche and asking for an apology from him is reasonable. I'd say Boro's going a bit over-the-top, but that's his business. Then again if it were me that had been attacked like that I'd have just but him on ignore... well... if he weren't a mod anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] OTOH, you could argue that Boro isn't even being over-the-top because the person he's talking to is a mod and mods should be held to a higher standard. |
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So I just noticed that you and ike aren't the same person. WTF@having the same avatar after getting your ass kicked 4 years in a row, but whatever. Dunno what your need is to resort to personal attack, but whatever. [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Uhm, what's with all the haters? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ] Really? Cody [/ QUOTE ] Ya, rly. Dci was a complete douche and asking for an apology from him is reasonable. I'd say Boro's going a bit over-the-top , but that's his business. Then again if it were me that had been attacked like that I'd have just but him on ignore... well... if he weren't a mod anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Now imagine if you weren't a big Boro fan, you'd probably be a little annoyed by his antics here. Cody |
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OTOH, you could argue that Boro isn't even being over-the-top because the person he's talking to is a mod and mods should be held to a higher standard. [/ QUOTE ] OTOH, Boro did say his plight was Kafka-esque. Probably a little over the top. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Uhm, what's with all the haters? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ] Really? Cody [/ QUOTE ] Ya, rly. Dci was a complete douche and asking for an apology from him is reasonable. I'd say Boro's going a bit over-the-top, but that's his business. Then again if it were me that had been attacked like that I'd have just but him on ignore... well... if he weren't a mod anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] OTOH, you could argue that Boro isn't even being over-the-top because the person he's talking to is a mod and mods should be held to a higher standard. [/ QUOTE ] R U SRS? DcifrThis has come off as a class act in this exchange, mostly. I'm surprised he apologized for such a token post. |
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I'd say Boro's going a bit over-the-top, but that's his business and for some reason he's making it the business of everybody else by starting a thread about a dumb PM argument that has nothing to do with politics but everything to do with large egos clashing. [/ QUOTE ] |
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