AA fold?
 

hero just got at table. opening villan is loose and is on alot of my tables. other guy (BTN) no idea.

200nl 6max. effective $200. no real reads.

PF: MP opens $7, I call with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO, BTN calls $6. all others fold.

($23) Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP bets $20, i raise to $67, BTN shoves AI ($193), MP calls $193, I have to call $120 in like a huge pot. eh?

i would put MP on an overpair a ton, BTN i have no clue. maybe a 7? sometimes a fd? easy dump given action?

Re: AA fold?
 

i pitch it given action and that we are readless

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I'd fold cuz I bet you lost this hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously, this isn't an easy dump. You crush MP imo. I'm worried about button. It depends on your read of button and nothing else I think.

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why aren't you reraising preflop ? if opening villain is loose aren't you giving him a cheap look at the flop to crush your AA's

then you are giving the guy on the button a chance to limp with hands like 78,67 ....

it is really hard to put the btn on a hand .. FD or maybe an over pair .. as played fold

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why aren't you reraising preflop ? if opening villain is loose aren't you giving him a cheap look at the flop to crush your AA's

then you are giving the guy on the button a chance to limp with hands like 78,67 ....

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stop thinking like a super abc for once.

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why aren't you reraising preflop ? if opening villain is loose aren't you giving him a cheap look at the flop to crush your AA's

then you are giving the guy on the button a chance to limp with hands like 78,67 ....

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stop thinking like a super abc for once.

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i think button seems semi competent, not a total tard like most players.

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I pokerstoved MP having KK and btn having a 7 and ur like 12% equity, so I guess weigh that against how often you think your good here if u want to get mathy about it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

(lol, at me doing ev calcs)

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Fold flop know.
Orange the only reason I would ever cold call pf here is if there are squeezetards behind

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snapcall

MP has a 7 never (and thus a range you slaughter), and BTN can have a range of hands (from flush draw to QQ-TT to 87/76) that you're ahead of

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I don't think BTN has a draw often given flop and the fact that you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I think you're facing an overpair + 7x or 2 overpairs. WA/WB scenario - 120 to win 476; I think you're facing 2 overpairs at least 1 in every 4 times this scenario occurs. I would call.

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snapcall

MP has a 7 never (and thus a range you slaughter), and BTN can have a range of hands (from flush draw to QQ-TT to 87/76) that you're ahead of

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Wouldn't u push a seven as button w/ orange raising a board w/ a flush draw??

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Stoved it:

Board: 7s 3s 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.454% 56.05% 01.40% 376584 9408.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 08.288% 08.29% 00.00% 55680 0.00 { KK-TT }
Hand 2: 34.259% 32.86% 01.40% 220752 9408.00 { TT+, 33, A7s, 97s, 87s, 76s }


I didn't include Ax spades in his range either, and it's a definite possibility that BTN has an overpair here too, right? If I put a decent range here, it looks like you definitely call this. Can you post results later? =P

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if i take out TT out of BTN's range it's till 53/8/39, still call i think

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if i take out TT out of BTN's range it's till 53/8/39, still call i think

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Hell, you could take 33 out probably, so yeah, looks like a call even though I think you see a 7 here a lot.

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why aren't you reraising preflop ? if opening villain is loose aren't you giving him a cheap look at the flop to crush your AA's

then you are giving the guy on the button a chance to limp with hands like 78,67 ....

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stop thinking like a super abc for once.

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I agree with scatt man and eagles. Flatting here is entirely unnecessary.

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so you're cold calling preflop just cause its abc 100% totally standard to raise and you don't want to be labeled an abc player?

Jesus christ just raise and get more money in the pot with the best hand.... and don't flame people for telling you the right thing to do

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snappity snap...and I dont like preflop, but whatever.

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Curious what your reasons were for calling PF if you just sat down?. Surely a loose opener = easy raise/isolate..
I snap call flop..

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I like eagles comment on cc preflop only when you know there's a squeeze abuser behind, this hand plays itself so much better if you 3bet preflop on that same board. BTW, I'm not saying you got to play ABC poker every single time, but when you decide to go elsewhere, I believe you've got to have a reason for making that play. My personnal belief is that if I can't explain to myself, why I made a non-standard move in a given situation, I made a mistake.

In this case, you provide us with too little information about CO and the players behind to make me appreciate the play.

With that said, it's such a tough spot. It feels like you're beat, but you get 4:1 on your money, so I like a call here.

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why aren't you reraising preflop ? if opening villain is loose aren't you giving him a cheap look at the flop to crush your AA's

then you are giving the guy on the button a chance to limp with hands like 78,67 ....

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stop thinking like a super abc for once.

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I agree with scatt man and eagles. Flatting here is entirely unnecessary.

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i think i call more pf than i rr in pos. i think that i can also extract more post against mp's 88 on 233 boards and what not as well. eh?

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Playing that flop would be alot easier if there was $40 in the pot and it was heads up. Especially given that you don't have any reads.

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obv u have the utg player beat ... i think its a bit much to give the btn tt here ... he either has a fd which i dont think is very likely or 33 or a 7. i think its a fold

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if you just call PF, you need to be able to fold here.

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sigh...guess i would call.

and imo eagles is right about reraising preflop..unless in the past few orbits you have been flatting him in position and raising all his flop bets or something.

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are we really folding here when BTN has a relatively wide range? I mean, i DO see that his range is weighted towards 33 or a lone 7, but given all the other possible hands (even if we discount TT), can we still fold this given the odds? Results??? =)

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alright, i called. horrible horrible call, i was stuck for the day and just said [censored] it. clearly i wasn't thinking. mp had KJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and other guy had 33 so we were both fairly [censored]. river came spade but not like it really mattered. i play baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

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mp plays worse than you

edit: way worse

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mp had KJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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well atleast these games are still good ....

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Orange, you know I'm far from abc and I would almost always 3 bet preflop.

As played a cold 3 bet on that flop and I can find a fold, but a call is definitely not awful.

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why the f can't MP have a 7? (not saying we aren't ahead vs mp's range, but i don't see why some posters say he never has a 7)

i raise 87s A7s & sometimes 97s 76s in MP why can't he do the same?

and put me in the i hate preflop camp

when i'm playing good i'm folding this pbb, when playing bad i pbb call

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if you just call PF, you need to be able to fold here.

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QFT

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call, you have 10% equity at least in a very big pot.