Crappy spot w/ AK
 

Villian is 22/9/1.7 He's been quiet. I haven't been over aggro or anything w/ 3bets.
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UTG ($234.25)
Button ($268.80)
SB ($186.05)
Hero ($200.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $50</font>, Hero calls $25.

Flop: ($100) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $136.05 (All-In)</font>

Re: Crappy spot w/ AK
 

Allin preflop, beat him into the pot on flop.

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He has the A and the A 100% of the time here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

As dumb as it sounds, i'd sort of want to fold preflop vs a 22/9/1.7 who hasnt been messing around or has any reason to think you are messing around.

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I just can't see him shoving w/ less than AK here.
As played I think I have to stack off in the Q is a 6 no?

Pf, I was close to folding, and pushing to me got called by QQ at worse, so I called to get more info since he opened the action. Is this ok? I was planning on stacking off if a K or A flopped, but reconsidered since he basically instapushed.

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given your read...i think i just fold pf. his range is probably QQ+, maybe even KK+. i almost never see someone min 4bet without having it. let alone a weaktight looking player. fooold.

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Fold pf. do you really think a 9% pfr'er 4-bets light?
He often doesn't even 3-bet light.
He often doesn't even 2-bet light.

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shove or fold preflop

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Fold or push pre, yo. As played, what are you gonna do the 99% of the time no A or K falls and he leads into you?

Here you flop TPTK in a 4b pot and you wanna fold?!? Which leads me to think you shouldn't be calling his 4b, no?

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Allin preflop, beat him into the pot on flop.

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I just can't see him shoving w/ less than AK here.
As played I think I have to stack off in the Q is a 6 no?

Pf, I was close to folding, and pushing to me got called by QQ at worse, so I called to get more info since he opened the action. Is this ok? I was planning on stacking off if a K or A flopped, but reconsidered since he basically instapushed.

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oh man getting to the flop this way and then folding is just awful.

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Fold or push pre, yo. As played, what are you gonna do the 99% of the time no A or K falls and he leads into you?

Here you flop TPTK in a 4b pot and you wanna fold?!? Which leads me to think you shouldn't be calling his 4b, no?

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Absolutely agree. If you're gonna call hoping to hit the flop, you'd better be prepared to move with it if you do. Otherwise, no point in calling preflop.

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Yeah, I shoulda folded pre. I tanked and folded. He showed me AA and I felt all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Yeah, I shoulda folded pre. I tanked and folded. He showed me AA and I felt all sick inside for calling preflop.

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Why would I feel sick for saving $136?
And yes, I acknowledge pf was a mistake, thus the post sir.

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was joke sir

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no problemo

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3b/fold pre is the line

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3b/fold pre is the line

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I'd rather flat call the first raise than 3 bet and fold.

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3b/fold pre is the line

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I'd rather flat call the first raise than 3 bet and fold.

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i don't mind this and it very well might be superior

i do think 5b shoving over that gay little 4b is suicidal (against this opponent), though

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shove pre!! as played call

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bvb I can't see ever flat calling the first raise

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bvb I can't see ever flat calling the first raise

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Nor can I. I also think 3 bet/fold is the best play here, given this guys not that aggro and his ridiculously stupid 4 bet size OOP.