ActionJeff says Stars is \"rigged\"
 

http://www.poker-king.com/poker-king...hp?article=308

My first reaction is that he posted this, like the article suggests as a possibility, in a "heated" moment. Then I wonder, would a player with so much experience and success in online poker EVER say something like this JUST because of his personal results on PokerStars?

Was this just a big mistake on his part or does anyone feel/know anyone who feels the same way about PS specifically?

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btch im cuter

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swongs are one thing

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ffs tl;dr

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if it happened on AP it could happen anywhere

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ffs tl;dr

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lol or something?

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thats cool, i'm breakeven on ftp and up a quarter mill on poker stars

i'm up on all sites in tournaments but ftp i think

i say ftp is rigged

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I think everything but PartyPoker is rigged.

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if it happened on AP it could happen anywhere

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think so? imo thats not true. I dont even really understand how pokerking thinks this is valid enough to post an article because even if somehow PS was rigged...how? So certain players miss out on AI equity, but why? Or am I missing something

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Interesting how several of the complaints at PStars are centered on being below expectation in 'all-in' equity, is this the the new vogue in riggaments-speak? Or is this an actual issue?

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if it happened on AP it could happen anywhere

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think so? imo thats not true.

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anythings possible. maybe some mad genius programmer with a vendetta against actionJ infiltrates his computer with every new update

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runs better then expectation = skill

runs worse then expectation = rigged site

standard

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if it happened on AP it could happen anywhere

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think so? imo thats not true. I dont even really understand how pokerking thinks this is valid enough to post an article because even if somehow PS was rigged...how? So certain players miss out on AI equity, but why? Or am I missing something

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Most obvious reason would be to keep the fish around. Take away a small percent of strong player's equity, pass it on to the fish. The winning player is still a winning player, the fish takes a little bit longer to go busto, and it's effectively impossible to ever prove it's anything more than variance.

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Interesting how several of the complaints at PStars are centered on being below expectation in 'all-in' equity, is this the the new vogue in riggaments-speak? Or is this an actual issue?

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How do you figure the expectation in all in equity?

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Interesting how several of the complaints at PStars are centered on being below expectation in 'all-in' equity, is this the the new vogue in riggaments-speak? Or is this an actual issue?

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How do you figure the expectation in all in equity?

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probabilityWin * amountWon + (1-probabilityWin) * amountLoss

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minding linking to Jeff's blog instead of yours?

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instead of my what? I didn't look up this blog because, as it says, he already took that post down for some reason. In which case, why would you want to see his blog?

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol.... anyway, I won a lot of money in Stars tournaments for a period longer than that 14 months. Really sick good/terrible runs like that are very improbable, but are bound to happen to some people (vietcong orly)

pretty dumb post pokerking

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Interesting how several of the complaints at PStars are centered on being below expectation in 'all-in' equity, is this the the new vogue in riggaments-speak? Or is this an actual issue?

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i believe this to be true

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol....

pretty dumb post pokerking

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/thread over.

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How do you figure the expectation in all in equity?

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you use software like poker tracker, and then pokerEV which
makes "Luck Graphs" (how much you're expected to win in all in vs. what you win.) not sure how much it works for tournaments since you wouldn't think you'd be all in that many times to provide good sample. I'm sure pokerstars just told him to take down the blog and they'd rig it in his favor...jk
i'm sure if he ran like this we wouldn't here any complaints
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3...inggoodkn3.jpg

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if it happened on AP it could happen anywhere

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think so? imo thats not true. I dont even really understand how pokerking thinks this is valid enough to post an article because even if somehow PS was rigged...how? So certain players miss out on AI equity, but why? Or am I missing something

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Most obvious reason would be to keep the fish around. Take away a small percent of strong player's equity, pass it on to the fish. The winning player is still a winning player, the fish takes a little bit longer to go busto, and it's effectively impossible to ever prove it's anything more than variance.

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This is almost certainly going on. Deep down inside we have all considered the possibility and it wouldn't be wise or logical to dismiss it entirely. Human nature is at work here, we often chose to believe or disbelieve not based so much on evidence as to our desire. We want to believe its not rigged so we adopt that position, though our understanding of human nature dictates that it must be going on. A transfer of a small percentage of equity really couldn't be detected and translates to enormous profits for the sites.

Everyone knows that the problem with NL is that fish go broke too fast. Poker rooms avoided it for good reason. Add to that the fact that online play is so much faster then you have to see that the fisheries have to be preserved in some fashion or the party is over.

So almost certainly all sites do it to some degree or another. Its not like there is any legitimate and trustworthy authority overseeing the operation of these rooms. (Is there such a thing in this world as trustworthy anyway?)

But here is the fact. Rigged games are good for us in the long run. We lose equity to the fish but that preserves the game. It slows down their rate of loss which extends the period that they are willing to continue to deposit and "enjoy" the activity. So, in the long run, it works to everyone's mutual advantage, the fish have more fun, we make more money over a longer period of time, and of course, the site owner's explotation of the us all is greater.

When you think about it, poker site operators are pretty much doing for the poker business the same thing that the rail barons did for their business, and likewise, the steel and auto moguls, oil pirates, and of course, Bill Gates.

Its the same old story, screw em and make em enjoy it. Welcome to reality.

Poker is rigged, but still beatable.

We always knew.

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol.... anyway, I won a lot of money in Stars tournaments for a period longer than that 14 months. Really sick good/terrible runs like that are very improbable, but are bound to happen to some people (vietcong orly)

pretty dumb post pokerking

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Thats what I figured....Thx for the response Jeff

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So almost certainly all sites do it to some degree or another.
But here is the fact. Rigged games are good for us in the long run. We lose equity to the fish but that preserves the game. It slows down their rate of loss which extends the period that they are willing to continue to deposit and "enjoy" the activity. ........


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now that's cynical.

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol.... anyway, I won a lot of money in Stars tournaments for a period longer than that 14 months. Really sick good/terrible runs like that are very improbable, but are bound to happen to some people (vietcong orly)

pretty dumb post pokerking

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Thats what I figured....Thx for the response Jeff

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i don't know, there's always that small chance of a conspiracy of some sort or another

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol....

pretty dumb post pokerking

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Except that I saw Jeff's post before he edited out the crazy. Jeff, go sit in a meadow on a sunny day and do acid. If that doesn't stop you freaking out, do it again.

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[X] Should have pm'd Jeff about this directly on an FYI basis

[X] Thread has seemingly spun out of control into conspiracy theory thread and needs to be locked

[ ] PokerStars is rigged and Jeff Garza knows it

[ ] Poker-King.com is a highly credible source of poker news

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and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

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working out 12 hrs/day ftw

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and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

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working out 12 hrs/day ftw

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i heard a rumor that jeff is at a secret facility in the maldives training for 16 hours a day and eating nothing but children.

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol....

pretty dumb post pokerking

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/thread over.

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Except that I saw Jeff's post before he edited out the crazy. Jeff, go sit in a meadow on a sunny day and do acid. If that doesn't stop you freaking out, do it again.

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sell me drugs pls?

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol....

pretty dumb post pokerking

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/thread over.

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Except that I saw Jeff's post before he edited out the crazy. Jeff, go sit in a meadow on a sunny day and do acid. If that doesn't stop you freaking out, do it again.

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sell me drugs pls?

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I have none spare. In fact I'm not sure if 'spare drugs' means anything. God that's deep.

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I think everything but PartyPoker is rigged.

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QFT

We are at the mercy of P'tars and Full Tilt.

Party, PLEASE come back!

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and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

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working out 12 hrs/day ftw

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i heard a rumor that jeff is at a secret facility in the maldives training for 16 hours a day and eating nothing but children.

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Children are high in calories, so no. He is actually in a hyperbaric chamber at the bottom of the Mariana Trench where he has petitioned Greenwich in London to add 1 hour to his time zone so he can work out 25 hours a day. Since a Hellgate has recently taken over London, however, his request was denied and he now satiates his unending hunger with daily 4 hour swims for plankton, which he consumes by saving a step on the food chain and swallowing humpback whales whole.

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol....

pretty dumb post pokerking

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Except that I saw Jeff's post before he edited out the crazy. Jeff, go sit in a meadow on a sunny day and do acid. If that doesn't stop you freaking out, do it again.

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sell me drugs pls?

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I have none spare. In fact I'm not sure if 'spare drugs' means anything. God that's deep.

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I once had to take a girl to the emergency room due to acid/coke/asthma complications. In the room there was a drawer marked "emergency drugs". Naturally, we peeled off that label, took it home, and applied it to a tin in which we kept... well, you know.

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I think everything but PartyPoker is rigged.

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QFT

We are at the mercy of P'tars and Full Tilt.

Party, PLEASE come back!

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?? I can play at party. Cant you?

LOOL

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I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.


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Just reroll until you like your stats.

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I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

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Pity, it would had been very interesting to read that blog, with the exception of that last entry, of course.

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I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.


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Just reroll until you like your stats.

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[WoW] Learn to play your class. [/WoW] ?

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whoever writes this pokerking blog is pretty ridiculous

I obviously don't think that PokerStars is rigged, and I took down the blog because it was retarded. I was just ranting and its bad material.

After losing tons of tourneys and $ on a bad day, I put my stars hhs from deep finishes in tourneys including 100r (over a pretty limited sample size) for the past 14 months and my win % at showdown was 23%, lol. There are other juicy details related to rebuys and stuff but its not really interesting. Its pretty irrelevant and not worth discussing.

What I was going to post after taking it down but decided wasn't even worth the readers time, was that I am done with Stars tourneys, but thats because tournament success is mostly luck and the biggest tourneys are all that matter. I'm mostly breaking from online poker until Aussie Millions anyway, and focusing on other things to improve my discipline, mental agility, and health.

PokerStars is a great site and it isn't rigged. I can't believe anyone even had time to read that blog anyway, it was up for a couple hours at most and I haven't posted on that domain in over a year, lol.... anyway, I won a lot of money in Stars tournaments for a period longer than that 14 months. Really sick good/terrible runs like that are very improbable, but are bound to happen to some people (vietcong orly)

pretty dumb post pokerking

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I can tell you why he did it. It gets hits, anything controversial gets hits. In the web world if you want to go off all the articles are cached with Google so if you are just having a bad hair day everyone will see it.

Exploiting peoples weaknesses works in real life too, not just poker.

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my win % at showdown was 23%

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hahahahahahaahhahaha. stop calling down with bottom pair you DONK.