200NL; Folding KK here?
 

Villian is super tight and is running at 14/9/3 over a big sample. what do u guys think of this? i see AA here almost 90% here.

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Hero ($216.30)
BB ($201)
UTG ($385.90)
MP ($268.80)
CO ($321.90)
Button ($40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $49</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls $29.

Flop: ($108) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($108) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, BB calls $50.

River: ($208) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB calls $199 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $407

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $407. </font>

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

I think you played the hand fine against this type of player except your turn bet size.

I would fold the river.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

bet more on the turn

river is close, but i fold.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

I think converter screwed up stack sizes, can you correct them?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

What do you run? What do you think villian thinks of you. I would've bet flop and got it in wherever I could with my image because I'm getting called by a lot worse here but if your a nit MABYE i can see folding this. Listen I think trying to get away from KK vs AA is the biggest waste of time ever that players bother thinking about. It happens rarely and even when ur wrong ur only a 4 to 1 dog so I pretty much never fold it for 1 buy in. I could understand if u were deep against a nit but for 1 buy in just get it in. I cant believe i typed this long of a response but yeah its 1/2 u have kk get it in when u can. gl

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

Ugh I hate this. A 4-bet from an opponent like this is almost surely AA right? So I agree with the call pf but does that mean we just check-fold all non-K flops? I think playing KK like this is waaaay too weak but at the same time a 14/9 doesn't usually show up 4-betting AK or QQ.

I agree with the river fold but given villian's stats I don't ever think we can put him on an 8.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

easy shove on river imo
and bet more on turn

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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easy shove on river imo
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Could you explain how this is an easy shove?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

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easy shove on river imo

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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why bet turn then?

i dont know
I just see us having him beat more often when he calls our all in, than when we call his
i could be way off

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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why bet turn then?

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where did I say to bet turn? vs. this guy I am likely checking turn.

edit: you realize he cold 4 bet, right?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

could u please explain your style/image. This is a lot different if your 13/9 or your 30/24. I'd still get it in a lot here.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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why bet turn then?

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where did I say to bet turn? vs. this guy I am likely checking turn.

edit: you realize he cold 4 bet, right?

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yes so whats your line

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easy shove on river imo

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you are ahead of exactly one hand, that almost definitely does not take this line.

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why bet turn then?

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where did I say to bet turn? vs. this guy I am likely checking turn.

edit: you realize he cold 4 bet, right?

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yes so whats your line

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I think betting the turn and shutting down after that is fine. Check/calling one street seems ok too, but if I c/c turn then I am giving up on the river.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

wait what are you guys talking about? when he cold 4bets don't we just decide preflop if we want to get it in or not? what is all this post flop speculation?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

you are not deep enough to setmine with Ks.. also, it's generally not good to put opponent on 1 hand only. Ks is a good hand against even the tightest players, they can still play AK/Qs like this PF

as played, I would probably bet/call on that flop

on river, I think it's a fold since you are only beating a bluff and the bet is pretty big relative to the pot size

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

i get it in preflop

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

if you see AA here 90% of the time, then why do you bet the turn?

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if you see AA here 90% of the time, then why do you bet the turn?

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i bet turn here because if he has ak/aq he'll probably fold to this bet and if he has qq he'll probably C/C and check river... but after shoving the river i'm pretty sure he has AA here

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

if you see AA here 90% of the time, then why do you call preflop?

are you basing that 90% on his entire line or just his preflop line?.... does he check AA on that flop?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

i would have just shoved pre-flop.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

If u think he has AA 90% of the time just fold PF. Otherwise Bet flop cause he has AK 1% of the time.

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

why play post flop with KK for 100bbs?

Re: 200NL; Folding KK here?
 

lol i shove this all day preflop, postflop play here hurts my eyes. Allthough i agree with river fold.

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could u please explain your style/image. This is a lot different if your 13/9 or your 30/24. I'd still get it in a lot here.

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QFT,
this hand is sooo dependent on hero's stats/image, if you're not playing a nitty 15/10 or something then i would get it in somewhere.