200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

UTG is LAG running at 35/24 and i havent' seen him get out of line yet. MP that shoved all in is Mortaganis for ppl from party that know him... he runs 60/24 over a huge sample of hands and somehow always crush all the regs.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($141)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($361.95)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP ($480.93)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($197)</font>
SB ($247.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $32, MP calls $32.

Flop: ($123) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($123) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $80</font>, MP calls $480.93 (All-In).

Final Pot: $683.93

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

any comment?

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

no, dont fold here

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

For 100bb in a 3bet pot folding a set is stupid.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

tough spot but ^^ is correct

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

no, of course you can't.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

whats with the massive 3bet size?

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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whats with the massive 3bet size?

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Yes, make this a bit lower, so your squeezes with J4o are cheaper.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

y would u want to fold here?

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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no, of course you can't.

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Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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no, dont fold here

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Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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y would u want to fold here?

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Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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For 100bb in a 3bet pot folding a set is stupid.

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seriously!

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

Given that this is montagnais, i think this is a lot closer than people think. He's showing up with AQ or Q9 a lot here.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

if ur 300 deep this is debateable but u only have 160 to commit, get it in yo

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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Given that this is montagnais, i think this is a lot closer than people think. He's showing up with AQ or Q9 a lot here.

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Overbet + Montagnais =/= nuts
Montagnais is MP here.

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $286.35
UTG: $275.60
MP: $354.20
CO: $345.55
BTN: $475.70
SB: $198

Pre-Flop:
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $28</font>, CO calls $28, BTN calls $28, 3 folds

Flop: ($94) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $326.20 and is All-In</font>, CO calls $317.55 and is All-In, BTN folds

Turn: ($729.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($729.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $729.10 Pot ($3 Rake)
MP showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$345.55 NET)
CO showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Nines) and WON $726.10 (+$380.55 NET)

And also we're getting 3:1, I can't really see folding.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

It depends on what way he's playing. If he's tilted, then that's what you get, but the vast majority of the huge hands in my DB are from when he overpushes the nuts, and a reg gives him action because ZOMG look at his stats, he never has it! This is why so many people here are down against him.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

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It depends on what way he's playing. If he's tilted, then that's what you get, but the vast majority of the huge hands in my DB are from when he overpushes the nuts, and a reg gives him action because ZOMG look at his stats, he never has it! This is why so many people here are down against him.

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In my db he's down a couple k over quite a lot of hands, I'm pretty sure he doesn't beat regs in general. Maybe the 17/14 guys who cbet flop and autocheck/fold the turn when they miss, of which there aren't too many of at 200NL.

But as for the hand, surely you can't fold JJJ here because of Montagnais' shove, I mean I can't see him having KK or AQ that often bc he is pretty aggro preflop and does generally raise big hands for value i've found, maybe he has Q9 but w/e we're getting 3:1. I'd be more worried of UTG tbh.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

He's the 2nd biggest loser in my db i think (i think Pavel is ahead of him), but pretty much all the big pots in my db he has had at least 2 pair(and i don't think he pushes that on this board). He just can't be a winner because of his pf play, but he gets huge action because of how it reflects on his stats and people assume he's just like all the others. He's kind of a station so he can be v-bet relentlessly, but when he pushes he pretty much always has it. He doesn't generally push his draws or semibluff either.

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

yeah looking over his hands, he does generally get it in with a good hand but there are quite a few incidients where he's done stuff like bet3bet AI on turn with 33 on a 26TT board (after pfr checks the flop, I might add [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). I do agree though

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

Yeah, its been mentioned in the regs thread, there is very much 2 montagnais. I have not had much luck playing with the other one unfortunately [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] .

Re: 200NL; Turns Set, can i fold here?
 

based on the price you are getting I don't see a fold here, but I sure would be hoping the board paired.