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mattiesmat 11-20-2007 08:49 PM

$16 - TPTK nFD
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Button (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t20, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t200</font>, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero ??

vers 11-20-2007 08:57 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
raise to 500-600 with the intention of getting all in.

mattiesmat 11-20-2007 08:58 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
I pushed and now I feel bad about it.
Is it bad or am i just too result orientated?

vers 11-20-2007 09:01 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
I don't think pushing is bad really. Your hand looks more like a draw when you shove, but it's not like made flushes for fold 400 raise anyways. Either are fine options, just a raise to 500-600 might get called by lower flush draws or hands like JxTs.

mortimo 11-20-2007 09:10 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
Lead this flop?

JSmith2007 11-20-2007 09:15 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
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Lead this flop?

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Disagree here. Alot of players in the pot, and a check/raise is good here, especially if you can get the player behind you or directly behind you to bet, getting a caller or two with it, then shove the flop, and accept folds (you just picked up say ~600 pot at 10/20) or a call, hoping to spike a flush or villain(s) not having made one.

I would definitely shove here and feel good about it.

mattiesmat 11-20-2007 09:43 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
Then I am being too result orientated, thanks.
What are the odds of 1 of the other 5 players having a made flush?

Scotty_12 11-20-2007 09:57 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
I think raising with the intention of getting it in is good - but its pretty hard to get called with out like JxKs when your CR looks like a checkraise for value, so a push might not be bad. Its the 16s so you could get looked up wide or called by Qs / Ks

LeadbellyDan 11-20-2007 10:18 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
"you could get looked up wide or called by Qs / Ks "

Yes I think u get called a fair bit by these kind of hands. Which is why I think raising &gt; pushing.

DetroitHustle 11-20-2007 10:25 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
I push too mattie

mattiesmat 11-20-2007 10:56 PM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
No one fearing a made flush with all these limpers (who like to limp suited cards)?

JSmith2007 11-21-2007 01:29 AM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
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"you could get looked up wide or called by Qs / Ks "

Yes I think u get called a fair bit by these kind of hands. Which is why I think raising &gt; pushing.

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That's quite absurd thinking. You're going to raise a 10BB bet to 60BB say, and then fold to a push? Why not just quit poker too while you're at it. If you raise, you cannot fold, no matter what IMO.

Kevin8423 11-21-2007 01:38 AM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
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No one fearing a made flush with all these limpers (who like to limp suited cards)?

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I pretty much never worry about someone having a made flush. I happens infrequently enough that you can pretty much just assume they don't have it. As for the hand here I like shoving over top, but I probably lead this almost always especially with so many players in the pot. It would be terrible to not get more money in when your hand is so strong and there are so many players to get a call from.

IFoldPktOnes 11-21-2007 02:56 AM

Re: $16 - TPTK nFD
 
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What are the odds of 1 of the other 5 players having a made flush?

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I got ~25% with fairly sooted 25% limping ranges, remember that the ace in your hand reduces the conditional probability, since suited aces are limped so often. You always have redraws so this really isn't a big factor, you want to get this all in.

I lead the flop. As played I would raise to ~800 or just push, I don't think there is much difference.


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