TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

Villain is a typical big fish and is 84/28/0.69 on 50 hands.
Do u, guys, play TPTK for stacks with such players?

Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $24.40
SB: $17.07
BB: $38.02
UTG: $48.82
MP: $49.86
Hero (CO): $28.82

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.25, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($3.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $47.57 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $20.07 and is All-In

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

+1

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

Normally I do. But his VERY low AF worries me a lot tough. Have you seen him overvalueate TPGK hands?

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

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Normally I do. But his VERY low AF worries me a lot tough. Have you seen him overvalueate TPGK hands?

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His AF is low because his VPIP is high. That AF is actually really high for someone who plays so many hands.

This is always a pretty rough spot but against super bad opponents like these I just ask myself what I would do in the late stages of a SNG and go with it. So in this case, I think its okay.

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I think I call. Just as much as this is a set, I think it's also a dummy betting out his JJ or something to try to get a fold, and then getting all uppity that you raised him, like you must've seen his JJ and you have AK, and you're just getting smart and he'll show you.

I only attribute that line of thinking to someone who's shown distinct idiocy in the past, but stats like this feel pretty distinct to me.

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

i-think-this-is-very-very-close.

non-minbet-donk/3bet-AI-is-a-super-strong-line-from-a-bad-player-on-a-board-like-this.

if-youve-seen-them-get-way-out-of-line-post-before-then-i-snapcall-and-theres-a-heap-of-dead-money-out-there-making-the-call-easier-too-but-i-really-think-this-is-a-set-almost-always.

50/50-IMO.

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Normally I do. But his VERY low AF worries me a lot tough. Have you seen him overvalueate TPGK hands?

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His AF is low because his VPIP is high. That AF is actually really high for someone who plays so many hands.

This is always a pretty rough spot but against super bad opponents like these I just ask myself what I would do in the late stages of a SNG and go with it. So in this case, I think its okay.

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Thanks. I'm not using PT ATM, so not everything is clear to me about these stats. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

I would fold here. You might be ahead, but I try never to play TPTK for stacks on 25NL. I do not think it is profitable in the long run, even when playing donks like this.

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I would fold here. You might be ahead, but I try never to play TPTK for stacks on 25NL. I do not think it is profitable in the long run, even when playing donks like this.

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This advice is far too general. Against certain players I am happy to stack off with top pair and against others I know it is a major spew.

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

Im stacking off here. Someone who is playing 84% of his hands is an uber fish and tptk is the nuts vs him. Okay thats an exaggeration obviously, but tptk is definitely strong enough for me to get the stacks in the middle and be happy about it.

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

no folding, you've got the nuts against this guy

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

Seriously this is an easy call for me. As ama already mentioned, his AF isn't really that low considering the number of hands he plays. His shoving range here is probably Qx, 33,55.

EDIT: Actually we can eliminate at least AQ and KQ due to his PFR numbers so revised shoving range is probably Q2-QJ,33,55.

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

With villans stats im calling here all day if he has a set so be it, you have position on him reload and wait him out.

Re: TPTK playing for stacks against fish
 

Stack off and be happy about it.