AP 5/10 blind battle
 

Villian was new to table and I had not previously played against him. Is my play standard here? Would the absense of a gutshot change the way the hand gets played?

Absolute Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 7 BB, between Hero and BB.</font>

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I play it the same.

The gut shot helps a lot, as does the fact you're drawing to the wheel with the 5 and not a 4 or 3.

If the Gs wasnt there what would the board be?

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

Not sure I like the turn bet. I think you get raised always and I doubt you can profitably call down.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

if you cant call down if you get raised, then can you call down if you check and he bets?

Standard flop peel for most villians range, why check and give him the lead when he plans on folding now that he stills has nothing? looks like a Q4, K3 kind of hand once he calls though.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I c/c the turn to induce bluffs and call most rivers. Good spot to semibluff for our villain.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I could be in the minority here but I usually check call the turn and re-evaluate on the river.... sometimes calling sometimes mucking. Is this terrible play?

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

Pots small, so c/c cant be a huge mistake, but I dont like the of giving a hand like Q7s a free shot at a pair or spade draw.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I'm going to say I would bet the turn and call a raise here. Whether I call a river bet depends on the card and if I compulsively hit call for the hell of it.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

turn c/f &gt; c/c

also jeh nh sometimes mix it up

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

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I'm going to say I would bet the turn and call a raise here. Whether I call a river bet depends on the card and if I compulsively hit call for the hell of it.

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That's my line too.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I bet the turn but I don't understand calling a raise. We're only beating K high, drawing to a few tainted outs and are only getting 7:2 to showdown.

Re: AP 5/10 blind battle
 

I like b/f turn. I don't like c/c much at all and c/f is terrible. You have the initiave, take it. Pot is small, so folding to a raise isn't terrible IMO.

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I bet the turn but I don't understand calling a raise. We're only beating K high, drawing to a few tainted outs and are only getting 7:2 to showdown.

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we beat waaay more than Kx. here are some example hands we beat that I would not be at all suprised to see an unknown show up with:
QJ
56
A2
anything with a spade in it

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I bet the turn but I don't understand calling a raise. We're only beating K high, drawing to a few tainted outs and are only getting 7:2 to showdown.

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we beat waaay more than Kx. here are some example hands we beat that I would not be at all suprised to see an unknown show up with:
QJ
56
A2
anything with a spade in it

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Def. true, I overstated it. Are we really seeing those hands 1 in 4 times though? Plus if we're committing to a sd by calling the turn then many of these semibluffing hands have several out against us, 56 and QJ with one spade have 20 outs. Then there are the times when we're already drawing dead. Even if we call the turn we can't be showing down if a spade hits correct?

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oops

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I bet the turn but I don't understand calling a raise. We're only beating K high, drawing to a few tainted outs and are only getting 7:2 to showdown.

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we beat waaay more than Kx. here are some example hands we beat that I would not be at all suprised to see an unknown show up with:
QJ
56
A2
anything with a spade in it

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Def. true, I overstated it. Are we really seeing those hands 1 in 4 times though? Plus if we're committing to a sd by calling the turn then many of these semibluffing hands have several out against us, 56 and QJ with one spade have 20 outs. Then there are the times when we're already drawing dead. Even if we call the turn we can't be showing down if a spade hits correct?

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That's right, I would probably fold the river more often than not. Any spade is an auto fold and any broadway + some of the smaller straight completing cards I will fold. A river call will be very very thin no matter what, so I'll want to see the board pair or offsuit 6-8 to consider calling.

The turn call/fold river is also reasonable because he will give up on some semi bluffs and check behind some Kx or A2 hands.