2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

villain 1 is 25/8/.66 over 229
villain 2 is 38/8/.84 over 121

ive seen villain 1, despite his low agg factor, cbet alot this session and fold to raises.

does anyone like calling in this spot, or raise to isolate. given the raise do we like turn action.

this hand had my head spinning [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $74.80
MP: $184.25
CO: $97.20
Hero (BTN): $123
SB: $138.35
BB: $49.70

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($12) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $12</font>, CO calls $12, <font color="red">Hero raises to $60</font>, MP folds, CO calls $48

Turn: ($144) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $59.50 and is All-In</font>

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

I like to flat the flop, but with your read on the MP this isn't bad.. As played, I'd check it back and hope he has a draw or we hit our hand.

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I think if your plan is to just shove any turn, you should be raising the flop smaller, imo.

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I like to flat the flop, but with your read on the MP this isn't bad.. As played, I'd check it back and hope he has a draw or we hit our hand.

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hes got 33$ left after flop call. i think i have to call a river shove even if i miss getting 6:1

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i don't know if villain is going to cont bet into 2 villains for PSB with that low of an AF ...although if you have a read i guess your play isn't too bad

but with AF that low and the fact that he potted it screams that he has a high PP i believe ... so i would just call flop ...

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i don't know if villain is going to cont bet into 2 villains for PSB with that low of an AF ...although if you have a read i guess your play isn't too bad

but with AF that low and the fact that he potted it screams that he has a high PP i believe ... so i would just call flop ...

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fwiw pf raiser folded. only the cold call pf guy (villain 2) called the flop raise

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i don't know if villain is going to cont bet into 2 villains for PSB with that low of an AF ...although if you have a read i guess your play isn't too bad

but with AF that low and the fact that he potted it screams that he has a high PP i believe ... so i would just call flop ...

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fwiw pf raiser folded. only the cold call pf guy (villain 2) called the flop raise

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ahhh sorry didn't see that ... well that changes things

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

I should stop posting at work. Raise less on the flop if you're going to raise. Since he only has $33 left, I guess you can shove.

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I should stop posting at work. Raise less on the flop if you're going to raise. Since he only has $33 left, I guess you can shove.

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its psr. i do want FE here.

but with the cold call it makes it tough, is he ever folding on the turn? should i take the free card then fold the river getting 6 to 1? i mean 6:1 isnt gold but i do beat draws.

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I should stop posting at work. Raise less on the flop if you're going to raise. Since he only has $33 left, I guess you can shove.

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its psr. i do want FE here.

but with the cold call it makes it tough, is he ever folding on the turn? should i take the free card then fold the river getting 6 to 1? i mean 6:1 isnt gold but i do beat draws.

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I liked the way the hand was played. this is a flop that begs to be C-betted. A pot size raise seems like the best thing to do to the pre-flop agressor's raise. Cant make it smaller, cuz you are focusing on the agressor at this point, and have to reasonable assume the short-stack would get all his money in if he was going to play. He chose not to, and left 33 behind. Either bad play, chasing(bad play), or has a monster and is trying to trap(bad play; should just shove and get you to pay him off). You dont really know what u want to hit. Saving the 33 dollars on the turn maybe is worthwhile if another blank hits the river. But the short-stack is likely to push the river with any missed draw here as well. I think you dont have any FE yourself, and just need to get the rest in on the turn.

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I should stop posting at work. Raise less on the flop if you're going to raise. Since he only has $33 left, I guess you can shove.

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its psr. i do want FE here.

but with the cold call it makes it tough, is he ever folding on the turn? should i take the free card then fold the river getting 6 to 1? i mean 6:1 isnt gold but i do beat draws.

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Yeah, but it leads to a really awkward turn spot. I think that $45 does the same as $60.

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

yeah there isn't really a cutoff hand that will call a raise to $40 on the flop but fold to $60 ... meh, you're getting looked up by any pair, so i'd probably check the turn

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

ok so results had me shocked.

he tanks, then called with AA. i guess his play was xpertz

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

I'm much more inclined to squeeze the flop from oop and smooth call in position here.

If I did raise it would be more like 40/45 though. 60 is just ridiculous.

Given your flop play the turn plays itself obv.

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

Jesus check back the turn. You can't possibly think you are ever good her and wtf is he ever folding!?

Just check and fold to a river bet unless you hit an out.

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yeah, right after I posted I realized, why not just save the extra 60 here.

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he only has 33 left. not 60.

and my flop bet is pot, its not a big overbet,

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ok, great flop bet then, leaving him with 33 worked out perfectly giving him 6-1 on the turn.

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ok, great flop bet then, leaving him with 33 worked out perfectly giving him 6-1 on the turn.

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fwiw i expected to take this down 85% of the time here or it goes AI on the flop. given his stack im not expecting to see a turn i have to bet or check.

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

if you raised to an amount that was more appropriate for stack sizes would you expect to take it down a lot less?

With your stack, you raise to 40 and you set up a pot sized turn shove, it's a line much more consistent with a made hand rather than a draw trying to buy odds to get it in imo.

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if you raised to an amount that was more appropriate for stack sizes would you expect to take it down a lot less?

With your stack, you raise to 40 and you set up a pot sized turn shove, it's a line much more consistent with a made hand rather than a draw trying to buy odds to get it in imo.

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i think i have 50-55% equity on the flop, so i want max FE/getting all in while i have this equity. im not expecting to take it down more with a smaller bet. against a pf cold call and flop cold call im not upset getting it in on the flop given what his line looks like, hence the big raise.

i dont really understand youre buying odds line but im assuming u mean pot sticking myself. but we also pot stick ourself with AK preflop at times too. if i have 50%+ equity i want as much money going in at that point as possible correct?

also if i bet smaller it makes it harder to get it in if he is at the bottom end of his range when i do hit.

im not saying that the bet is ideal on the flop or anything but i dont see anything wrong with it either. id take this exact line with trips as well

Re: 2 overs + FD in position 3 way
 

You should generally reraise here preflop.

On the flop I prefer a call.

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i agree $45 does the same as $60, but since u did make it $60 i think you have to shove the turn even if he folds barely ever its better than having to call on the river when u miss