I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

- TwinFives sitting in seat 1 with $161.70
- Mewn87 sitting in seat 2 with $271.71
- Jordan_H sitting in seat 3 with $97.46 [Dealer]
- NilPferD sitting in seat 4 with $115.03
- Hero sitting in seat 5 with $96.40
- smox sitting in seat 6 with $55.33
NilPferD posted the small blind - $0.50
Hero posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Hero: King of Clubs, King of Spades
smox called - $1.00
TwinFives raised - $5.00
Mewn87 raised - $16.00
Jordan_H folded
NilPferD folded
Hero...

Original raiser is like 20/15 and the 3-betor is LAG:ier, like 25/20. No other reads.

I guess I'm not folding, and I hate all options. Calling leaves us in a lot of [censored]: 3-way pot (probably) oop without knowing a [censored]. Raising folds a lot of his worse hands and a shove from his part is almost always AA I guess.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

4bet, call shove. Now if you have like 200bbs+ it is interesting, but this is really straightforward imo.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

4-betting or shoving are both fine. Slight preference for shoving. Folding is just not an option here. It becomes a bit more interesting if you're really deep, or if the original raiser is like 10/5 and being reraised by a another 10/5 or whatever - but as is, this is a very standard and great spot to try to get it in preflop.

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I think orig raiser could have a very wide range - AK or even worse, any pair etc. Re-raiser's range is narrower but having position on orig raiser still wide including pairs say 10+ AK etc. Of those two ranges you beat everything but AA so I wouldn't even consider folding.

What about call/shove on any non-ace flop and get called by QQ? That or just shove pre-flop and still possibly get called by QQ?

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Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I prefer raising to 38 or so rather than shoving because you will get a call from AK, whereas if you overbet shove I think AK can fold

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

Raising to $38 in this spot looks INCREDIBLY strong - much much stronger than shoving for certain.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I guess it depends on your image. i would raise to 38 here with QQ+ and AK+ against everyone, and it would widen against a light 3bettor

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I flat this a lot and get it in on most non-ace flops.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

Cold calling a 3 bet OOP looks just as strong to any thinking player. I just shove here.

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I flat this a lot and get it in on most non-ace flops.

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Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

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Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

< than 100xBBs? Take all my money, get it all in!! Raise whatever it takes to get it all in pre-flop or post-flop. Why are we making life hard on ourselves by worrying about A-A????

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I flat this a lot and get it in on most non-ace flops.

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The only problem with that is the possibility of someone flopping an interesting two pair. I agree that 6-handed, raising and calling ranges are wider, meaning you will probably see hands like J9, A8 and Q 10 playing alot more than they should. So, I think a strong re-raise is just fine pre-flop because you're going to eliminate most if not all of those hands, unless your playing with someone completely out of their mind. (<--- which is entirely possible)

Basically what I'm saying is, make it 38 pre-flop and if you get called, you can put them on a hand.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

You mean you love these spots?
Obviously you lost to AA, but that is just how it goes somethimes. Just raise and don't worry about it.