How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the nuts?
 

BB is a 46/7/1.5 He is not a good player, but not a terrible one either.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB re-raises, Hero ????, </font>.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

It depends. Why would you put in a 8th bet but not a 9th? And why a 9th but not a 10th? There will be a point where you have to keep raising, so you need to decide this well, indeed. I'd find this a tough spot too, I might keep raising very far, as he has either JJ, J5, 65, 55, Q5, and only one of those beats us.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

go all in

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

i would keep reraising until he quits. it's not like he ever has 55 here.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

he can def have 55, you should stop at some point unless it looks like he could just be stacking off/tilting. If he;s got a lot of BBs left, you need stop about now. Not that it really matters in the long run, since these spots are so rare.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

"it's not like he ever has 55 here."

fits pretty well imo.

preflop: pair i call
flop: quads i slowplay
turn: quads i slowplay
river: i better bet so he doesn't check.
river: i better reraise with the nuts.
river: i better reraise with the nuts.
river: i better reraise with the nuts.

OP, i'd probably just call now, but i think you might go one more bet. at this many raises it's really either JJ or 55 (JJ being mass spew), but that's still 3:1.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

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i would keep reraising until he quits. it's not like he ever has 55 here.

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common guys, you didn't catch the sarcasm? i far from sure even 6-betting is correct here.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

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Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

you should either go all in or you put in too much action already, problem is you dont know which.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

the thing is: if he was tilting why did he just meekly c/c the flop and the turn and not go ballistic? when he 5-bets you he's pretty serious imo. he very rarely has JJ because of his passive play up to this point. J5 and Q5 have to be significantly discounted compared to 55 because you have two queens, because he must realize they are far from the nuts (especially J5), and because he's likely to put more action on earlier streets with them than with 55.

bottom line: once he 5-bets, i don't think you are a 67% favorite. i'm not even sure you are a favorite at all. i think 6-bet is likely a spew.

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i know and that's why it's so funny [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

I agree with you that, if BB was a good player, the only hand that makes sense, once he 5-bets, is 55. But a these low limits I've seen the strangest plays. At higher limits, maybe you should call after a 5-bet, like you propose. At this limit I think I should have 8-betted or maybe even 10-betted. (not being sarcastic)

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

A little similar hand. But now you do have the nuts. How often do you reraise? The rake is 5%, to a maximum of $3.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 re-raises</font>, Hero ????

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

this time you can reraise forever, since you've passed the rake limit.

in the original hand, i think you might be results oriented. did you call his 7-bet? what did he have?

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the nuts?
 

C'mon... it's 2 [censored] 4 people. Keep smashing the raise button until you have no more chips in front of you. I guess 56 or Q5s.

Results?

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

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A little similar hand. But now you do have the nuts. How often do you reraise? The rake is 5%, to a maximum of $3.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero re-raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 re-raises</font>, Hero ????

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so many times I try to find some cute way to slow down because I just know we're splitting he ends up showing me something idiotic like A4 or QQ or something here.

and there are enough times when I keep hitting raise even though I just know we're just paying more rake to split and he ends up with the same garbage.

Unless it's a solid TAG who you know incredibly well I think you just have to keep raising away here. Splitting the hand and paying extra-rake to do it sucks. But remember that you're essentially splitting that extra-rake and the chances of him being a total moron and actually not having the nuts with you are almost always high enough to justify the extra action since you only have to be not splitting like 1 time in 50 or something to make it okay.

Kind of different on crypto though with that no cap thingee. But as has already been mentioned, you are already past the cap so might as well keep raising all the way.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the n
 

I go about 12 bets.

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the nuts?
 

I called, 56

Re: How often should I reraise the river with a monster, but not the nuts?
 

I'm a bit biased because I saw the results as I was scrolling through the thread, but I would generally say that you have to err on the side of putting one or two more raises than you think you should because there's only one combo of 55 that beats you and so many combos of ridiculous hands that could be played like this. I'd expect to see hands like JJ, J5, 66, Q5, 65, even A5 and AA sometimes and once in a while something more outrageous. Even though you need to discount each of these hands and some of them like A5 and AA quite a bit once the fifth bet goes in on the river, I think you usually have at least one more raise against anybody who's not pretty good.

Anyway, as already mentioned, it doesn't really matter because it comes up so rarely.