Strange spot with AA
 

SB is a 23/19/3 reg, BB is a huge fish 65vpip. Wtf am i sposed to do here?

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BB ($774.75)
UTG ($1069)
MP ($1787.75)
CO ($2645.25)
Hero ($995)
SB ($1084.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, SB calls $35, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $95</font>, SB calls $95, BB calls $95.

Turn: ($405) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $300</font>, BB calls $300, Hero?

Re: Strange spot with AA
 

This is indeed strange. I dont see villain (SB) having a 6 here very often rather 77/33 but maybe hes just trying to see where he stands with 88/99 or maybe 55..

BB can have about everything, from a gutshot to a made sixes full. I think calling is no option since either SB or BB will probably bet the river and if there is on of the many scarecards left, this spot becomes even uglier. i think i fold this, although shoving is an option as well (although by shoving u will probably not get paid out by pocket pairs, but by calling neither), but i think at least one of them has you beat.

just fold and see one of them show a set in the showdown

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bump one time

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I think he will play an overpair like this a lot given the station in between you so he can valuebet him and put a lot of pressure on you. It also makes sense for him to sometimes call with a big hand preflop here given he doesn't want to push out BB, no?

Shove. We have lots of equity vs a range of boats overpairs and straights. I know SB will rarely call a shove with much worse, but BB will and the pot is already big.

I guess it comes down to how likely he is to play 88+ like this.

Board: 7s 6s 6d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.455% 70.45% 01.00% 1550 22.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 28.545% 27.55% 01.00% 606 22.00 { 66+, 33, 76s, 54s }

Board: 7s 6s 6d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.273% 49.27% 00.00% 542 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 50.727% 50.73% 00.00% 558 0.00 { 99-66, 33, 76s, 54s }

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I would be very surprised to see SB leading turn with anything you beat tbh.

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i would fold. i think the SB has you beat a pretty high %, and if he does, you're drawing very slim. and while BB is probably doing something dumb, he definitely can have a straight / FH / 6x. why would the SB lead out if he didn't have a very strong hand? he knows that the BB is going to call with a wide range.

i really doubt he's going to play a hand like 99 this way as another poster said. first, he's usually going to be 3betting (maybe calling more often to bring the fish in, but still often 3betting), and with this much action i think he's going to just check/fold if hero bets. this is a pretty bad board to double barrel, so i don't see him making this large bet.

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I think he will play an overpair like this a lot given the station in between you so he can valuebet him and put a lot of pressure on you. It also makes sense for him to sometimes call with a big hand preflop here given he doesn't want to push out BB, no?

Shove. We have lots of equity vs a range of boats overpairs and straights. I know SB will rarely call a shove with much worse, but BB will and the pot is already big.

I guess it comes down to how likely he is to play 88+ like this.

Board: 7s 6s 6d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.455% 70.45% 01.00% 1550 22.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 28.545% 27.55% 01.00% 606 22.00 { 66+, 33, 76s, 54s }

Board: 7s 6s 6d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.273% 49.27% 00.00% 542 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 50.727% 50.73% 00.00% 558 0.00 { 99-66, 33, 76s, 54s }

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I'm skeptical that overpairs are a large part of SB's range. Flatting PF, and c/c this flop multiway does not indicate 88-KK to me.

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i really doubt he's going to play a hand like 99 this way as another poster said. first, he's usually going to be 3betting (maybe calling more often to bring the fish in, but still often 3betting), and with this much action i think he's going to just check/fold if hero bets. this is a pretty bad board to double barrel, so i don't see him making this large bet.

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Why? This is a super sexy play with JJ-99. Fish will call with lots he beat, and hero will really struggle to continue with anything but a monster.

I guess my ranges were kind of [censored], but still. I would love villains line in this hand with an overpair.

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I'm skeptical that overpairs are a large part of SB's range. Flatting PF, and c/c this flop multiway does not indicate 88-KK to me.

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Forget my ranges, realize they were [censored]. But why is flatting here weird with a big'ish hand? Preflop, we raised and he does not want to push out BB. Flop, I guess he could lead overpairs a lot. But if he doesn't, he won't CR for the same reasons. Keep fish in the hand.

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Nice fold.
SB played this hand perfect with anything that beats you.

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Also with JJ/TT apparently. Since he can valuetown BB and bluff out us at the same time.

Edit: Strange. The post I quoted got deleted?

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Nice fold.
SB played this hand perfect with anything that beats you.

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Also with JJ/TT apparently. Since he can valuetown BB and bluff out us at the same time.

Edit: Strange. The post I quoted got deleted?

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I mean, SB has postflop aggro of 3. I don't see that c/c this flop and then being like "sweet, no overcards came, I'm going to take this down."

I guess I'm for a fold b/c I'm assuming SB is good, as the OP indicates. If you think he's not so good, then push. BB will probably call.

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I'd say ez fold.

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Nice fold.
SB played this hand perfect with anything that beats you.

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Also with JJ/TT apparently. Since he can valuetown BB and bluff out us at the same time.

Edit: Strange. The post I quoted got deleted?

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It was mine. I posted and then didn't feel like writing more so I deleted it. I don't like making one line responses whenever I get the energy to actually contribute. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Anyway, its a fold b/c of what everyone already said. He doesn't have many overpairs in his range given OP opened button and he's 23/19. Even if he has some overpairs in his range he's not betting the turn enough with them. Give me a read on OP or something but against a rando TAG I muck.

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I guess I'm for a fold b/c I'm assuming SB is good, as the OP indicates. If you think he's not so good, then push. BB will probably call.

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I have taken this line with 99/TT as SB, knowing that it puts a lot of pressure on Hero while I can valuetown BB. I didn't realize I could get Hero to fold a hand as good as AA. But that makes the line even better. I have no idea why you think SB "is not" if he decides to lead this turn with an overpair.

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results were tilt-inducing...SB had 89hh for oesd and hit on the river, fish paid him off on the river with K3o

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i kinda feel you're leveling yourself into a push here. I don't know. we need results, AMIRITE?

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well, at least i was right that he didn't have the overpair...pm the SB name plz?

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I mean, SB has postflop aggro of 3. I don't see that c/c this flop and then being like "sweet, no overcards came, I'm going to take this down."


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LOL this is exactly what he was thinking, LOLLLLL

Re: Strange spot with AA
 

Still think it's a sweet line with overpair. Absolutely awful with his actual hand though, considering the fish is never folding anything and he has 9 high.

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Absolutely awful with his actual hand though

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QFT. of course i told him that in the chat too [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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But of course, hahahahaha. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Don't know why no one mentions a 6x combo in addition to strong hand made on the flop, maybe I'm missing something. Anyway SB has you beat here a nice percentage IMO.