200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

Villain is 52/20/3. Flop AF is 2.5. Raised flop c-bets 25%. showdown stats are 30/43.

no history, but he's def very aggro, saw him limp/rr QJ earlier this session.

UTG: $292.60
BTN: $228
Hero (SB): $201
BB: $194

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $17

Flop: ($50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $64</font>, Hero ????

fold? call? shove?

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

gross spot i think i find a fold though and if he keeps doing that minraise [censored] i d start shoving this on him

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

Calling the flop min-raise to fold unimproved on the turn is spewing. Why are you three-betting preflop? I understand it's for value, it makes your hand difficult to play oop.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

folding and shoving are both fine imo

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

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Calling the flop min-raise to fold unimproved on the turn is spewing. Why are you three-betting preflop? I understand it's for value, it makes your hand difficult to play oop.

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3-betting pre-flop w/ TT is 100% standard against a maniac in a 4-handed game.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

id want some more "3bet pot info" on him before i do anything else than call and re-eval on turn.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

i'd call and crai if he's that bluff happy. If he isn't that bluff happy but overvalues hands then shove. I doubt I'm folding.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

Fold or shove, although 90% of the people here like to flat call and fold to the turn bet, which is an excellent line... if you like bleeding money.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

shove but expect to see QK type hands pretty much everytime when called. fwiw I think you have the best hand here most of the time.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

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i'd call and crai if he's that bluff happy. If he isn't that bluff happy but overvalues hands then shove. I doubt I'm folding.

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are there any turn cards you aren't crai?

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

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i'd call and crai if he's that bluff happy. If he isn't that bluff happy but overvalues hands then shove. I doubt I'm folding.

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are there any turn cards you aren't crai?

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i really don't like this line. If you call it is 64*2 + 50 in the pot. So its about 170 and hero has slightly over 100 left on the turn if calling. Villain is not bluffing turn very often since he thinks he has very little FE. How are you going to CR all in when you have barely over a 1/2 psb left.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

You're not c/r for FE you're c/r to trap. My main concern is because so much of the deck scares our hand, we would essentially have to do this regardless of turn card.

Re: 200NL - TT on Q high wet flop against maniac - 3 bet pot
 

I'm saying, how are you going to CR the turn? Hero has 100 behind, pot is 170. We expect villain to bet 40 into a 170 pot and we jam for 60 more?

I don't think villain is going to bluff turn for 100 into a 170 pot that often. I'm pretty sure villain would check turn with most hands we beat to try to peel one of his/her overs, assuming we are even ahead right now. So we have effectively given villain a free turn and river card to try to hit 6 outs (assuming 2 overs). Like i said, i hate this line.