nl1000 set Kings
 

8 players
1k stacks
villian is not very good, very aggro with flush draws(push vs very tight player K3s for a bare FD)


Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, 4 folds, SB calls, BB folds.


Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($80, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $55</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $110</font>, Hero calls.

Minraise. i dont know what it means if he made this play. so i called with the Kh.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($300, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $200</font>, Hero

This is a really good card for me. I have 700 left. minimum 11 clean outs. (10 to FH +Ah) 1:1.4
pot odds 1:1.5

shove?call with what plan for the river?
comments with HAND RANGES are really welcome!

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

I think you answered your own question here in your description. You said he's very aggro with flush draws, and he check-minraises you. This is usually one of 2 things - flush draw or the nuts. If that's your read, you have to weight it in that favor. Considering you have your outs to fill up, this is an easy push IMO. And who knows, you might have flush outs too.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

I think three-bet/call-shove is fine on the flop. I also think raising the turn is fine. Just find a way to get all-in this hand. As for hand ranges, they're all over the board really. 22, TT, JJ, JT, Ahx, flushes, AJ, KJ, QhJ.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

ok thanks so far.

would you consider a call? what to do on the river?

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

If you call, you are resigned to the fact he has a flush and only doing so with the plan to fold if you don't fill up, right? Do you think he pays you off enough to make that +EV?

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

i made a mistake. my odds are 1:3.2 not 1:1.4 .....

i can find arguments for shoving and for calling.
But i prefer a flop shove over a turn shove against a player would cant let go his hand. I need some FE here AND the incready Equity of 2cards to come.

Back to the hand

I made the CALL.

river As

he bets 500 into 700 pot

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

Id probably shove turn

as played fold river

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

Why do you need FE to shove? He can call with worse hands than yours.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

I like shoving the turn.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

me too but to be honest. i had no ba*** (but no scared money). When i review it: i made a mistake

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Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

As played, fold river.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

He has a flush a good amount of the time but I disagree with the people saying fold the river. If you are going to call/shove the turn then you should be calling the river, the ace of spades is actually a pretty good card for us.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

dude i call this river, I see villian playing this whole hand the same way with any AhTx+ hand, underset and two pairs here considering your line its probably right for him to be value betting alot of hands besides made flush on the river (or atleast its reasonable for him to). i think if you call turn you are calling river here.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

Also id like to add that anyone who doesnt think we win this hand more than the 25ish% it takes to call this river bet it slightly-moderately retaraded considering villians general aggression and donkeyness.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

25ish? isn't it more like 40ish?

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG MORANS!

5/17 = 29%

hyachacahcahhcachahac.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

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YOU'RE BOTH WRONG MORANS!

5/17 = 29%

hyachacahcahhcachahac.

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bout half way between 2-1 and 3-1 which is 33 and 25, i just dint think to put 28.5% and put "ish" because it doesntg really matter that much. also another thing to add about that hand that calling the turn here should be with the intention to look up any river unless you have a god like read that this guy doenst have like 28.5% shittier hands for value/bluffs -we did after all play this hand very sofly and a made flush isnt likely from us, neither is a set since we would have put heat in on the flop..... calling this river is amust against almost any player. also as far as folding equity goes on the turn.... I dont think you have any- and i mean that in the sense that the hands that will fold are the ones you dont want to. i wouldnt mind a flop raise, but shoving the turn is kina a counter productive play. i think the call down is optimal or flop raise (which im still not sure is great either)

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

results?

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results?

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results dont matter. NT=TOOLBOX knows all.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

shove turn or call river as played

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

Fold river. Definitely shove turn. I like 3betting the flop to $299 and getting it in. Bad villains don't bet weak hands on 4 straight and 3 flush boards.

Re: nl1000 set Kings
 

i folded to the river bet.