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runout_mick 11-20-2007 09:55 AM

NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
BB stats are 48/48/8 (no typo) over 60 hands.

With that in mind, you like?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($87.90)
Hero ($116.25)
BB ($99.20)
UTG ($105.60)
UTG+1 ($105.60)
MP1 ($42.60)
MP2 ($98.55)
MP3 ($17)
CO ($90.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $1, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $8</font>, MP1 folds, Button folds, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20.

River: ($60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $87.25</font>

r2me 11-20-2007 11:34 AM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
The check-raise on river it gives villan a chance to make the correct play by laying down his 2 pr or straight.

I'd like a weak lead bet on the river that looks like a blocking bet (1/3 - 1/2 PSB). this gives the villan (who loves to raise) a chance to raise all in &amp; feel in control of the hand.

wallenborn 11-20-2007 11:42 AM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
You were planning to limp-reraise preflop, right?

runout_mick 11-20-2007 11:44 AM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
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You were planning to limp-reraise preflop, right?

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ayuh.

SABR42 11-20-2007 11:57 AM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
I'd still raise pf. If you were in EP or even MP you could try this, but having him check his option is too big a risk.

As played I like your line.

RapidEvolution 11-20-2007 12:05 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
LOL@BB's stats. I think I'd be more inclined to raise given these. When the PFR stat is that high, my experience has been that they see little distinction between raising limpers and 3betting someone. I like this line a lot as I think he's probably folding to earlier raises, but (obv) will keep betting at the pot to push you off.

Landlord79 11-20-2007 12:09 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
Awesome, that's how you use a player's tendencies to get them committed and stack them. This isn't a great line in most situations, but with this read and a perfect board, it worked out great.

AllTheCheese 11-20-2007 12:45 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
A 48/48 (not that I have much expereince with them LOL) probably has nothing on this flop after he checks, so I play the same postflop. But, as others have said, I think him being in the BB makes this a raise.

CalledDownLight 11-20-2007 12:59 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
I honestly think you played every street badly.

novel20 11-20-2007 12:59 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
Very well played.

runout_mick 11-20-2007 01:13 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
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I honestly think you played every street badly.

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I'm not disagreeing, but please elaborate.

I like my flop and turn, I wasn't sure about preflop or the river. My gf was watching, and when it came to me preflop I said, "[censored] it, let's gamble", so I knew I was taking a chance there. I ended up deciding there was a chance that one of the limpers might also be going for a limp/rr, and this might enable me to build a monster pot by just completing.

Fwiw, every time it had limped to his bb he has raised, before this hand.

CalledDownLight 11-20-2007 01:17 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
[ QUOTE ]
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I honestly think you played every street badly.

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I'm not disagreeing, but please elaborate.

I like my flop and turn, I wasn't sure about preflop or the river. My gf was watching, and when it came to me preflop I said, "[censored] it, let's gamble", so I knew I was taking a chance there. I ended up deciding there was a chance that one of the limpers might also be going for a limp/rr, and this might enable me to build a monster pot by just completing.

Fwiw, every time it had limped to his bb he has raised, before this hand.

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the last line makes me like it more. I was expecting the BB to check a lot of the time figuring he raised in other spots. I think you need to 3bet the flop though. You really don't want to see a 10 or J. Also, I think I would probably c/r the turn given the flop action. As played, the river is close but I think just shoving is the best line.

AllTheCheese 11-20-2007 01:19 PM

Re: NL 100, raising station to my left, play w/ KK.
 
^^Meh. I really don't care if a J or a T comes off. We'll just c/c him down. It's a great bluff card for him. Keeping this guy in the lead is absolutely essential. It's extremely likely he has nothing here.


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