How to play turn here?
 

only have stats on this guy 50/18/.9

PokerStars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>

Re: How to play turn here?
 

I would usually check/raise, but these types often check behind their weak pairs for cheap showdowns so I don't mind donking. I think he'll bet his draws, though.

Re: How to play turn here?
 

my guess is he'll bet often enough to justify a c/r.

Re: How to play turn here?
 

I don't understand donking the turn here to be honest, wouldn't c/r be a million times better?

Re: How to play turn here?
 

looks like that's the consensus, and I have to agree in retrospect. I've just been taking lines that involve donking made hands lately. its nice cuz you dont have to worry about any checking behind [censored]. In this case, since I'm SB with a wide range, I dont like it. I should reserve this line for a similar situation when I'm in early or middle position and that will be a scarier card for my opponent

Re: How to play turn here?
 

It would be a disaster though if he checks behind.

Re: How to play turn here?
 

what kind of hands would villain check behind given the chance but fold to a bet?

it can't be a disaster when he checks behind if all we lose is 0.8BB of value

Re: How to play turn here?
 

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what kind of hands would villain check behind given the chance but fold to a bet?

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gutters and Ax I suppose, but I'm hoping he at least calls with these hands.

another benefit is that my line will sometimes induce spew from these types of hands, cuz people hate donk bets in general

Re: How to play turn here?
 

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what kind of hands would villain check behind given the chance but fold to a bet?

it can't be a disaster when he checks behind if all we lose is 0.8BB of value


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He may check behind with some random draw and not put in any money on the river? I guess it hard to see anyon checking behind there with a draw but there are so many I hate to give free cards there, plus donk betting pisses people off in general

Re: How to play turn here?
 

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but I'm hoping he at least calls with these hands.

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yea for sure.

my definition of a disaster is to put villain in a very +EV situation that we could prevent by making the correct bet or raise. this involves giving free or cheap cards in big pots

in this situation, the kind of hands that villain may check behind have 3-5 outs vs us. that is 12.5%-20% equity in a 4BB pot, a mistake of 0.5BB to 0.8BB. not a disaster imo

most villains aren't going to be taking that free card in this spot regardless. in a situation where he should know (and at the 10/20 level almost certainly does know) that hero has a wide range to b/c this flop, the K is most likely not going to scare him into checking behind a pair or giving up on a semibluff. as for Ax hands, they usually just call down from the flop

Re: How to play turn here?
 

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I hate to give free cards there

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not trying to single anyone out but I think the concept of giving free cards is poorly understood by many people. it really isn't that big of a deal when the pot is small, as so many pots are in aggressive shorthanded games

and if you never check with a made hand out of fear of giving a free card you make yourself easy to play against. I used to get my ass kicked by LAGs who would float the hell out of me because they knew when I stopped betting they could take the pot away a huge % of the time

to give an example,

hero raises pre with QQ, some aggressive fish cold calls from the button, blinds get out

flop T25r
bet, call

turn 7
check

the pot is ~3.5BB after we check. if villain checks behind his Ax or Kx, we are giving him a free shot with 3 outs which is worth an immediate 0.375BB to him. that kinda sucked

but if villain has a pair, he is going to bet. now we can checkraise and charge him 1.6BB instead of 0.8BB

if he tries to steal the pot with something like JQ or decides to bet his ace, now we are punishing him big time.

Re: How to play turn here?
 

to be fair though the board in your example is much different than the one in the OP. Op's board now has two flush draws and a ton of straight draws, and we're looking and a BB caller and not a button cold caller.

Re: How to play turn here?
 

just babbling to put off studying boring ol statistics [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

what I was talking about mostly applies to situations where we have the lead and villains range is much less defined. I think it can still be applied in the OPs hand though to a lesser extent