Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t120/t240
(Ante: t25)
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t600</font>, MP3 calls t600 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1185)</font>, 4 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t1785, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t1100</font>, MP3 calls t1100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2885)</font>.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t3985, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets t1920</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t6220</font>, MP3 calls t4300 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t12125)</font>.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t16425, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t16425)


Results:
Final pot: t16425

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

No

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

hell no

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

When he calls the flop and then bets the turn when checked to I think it's safe to say you can let it go.

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

played perf.

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

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No

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"No" he didn't overplay it, or "no" meaning you don't like his line?

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

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"No" he didn't overplay it, or "no" meaning you don't like his line?

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I think he's answering the overplaying question in the subject. But I am curious as to what yall think of my line here and whether anyone would have led the turn instead?

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

lead turn for value?

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Looks like he has 7 7 to me.

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I wouldnt of checked the turn there. lead out with another bet and if the villian raises knowing you will be getting the odds to call, then you can pretty much conclude that you are beat. now the question at that point is, how badly are you beat and do the odds justify calling? personally, at times when I am pretty positive that I am beat then i TRY not to let the odds determine if I call or not. ok I sidetracked a bit here but u played top top like you had top set which I think was a mistake in this situation.

Re: Did I overplay top top in FTOPS?
 

In the flop youve correctly priced out all but monster draws, and he doesnt have the As. When he calls you have to be concerned that he's got a real hand. He can't be sure if your flop lead is a cb or a wide range of real hands.

When you check the turn he is most likely going to read you as weak or AJ, and leave yourself open to a bluff. Your hand isnt strong enough for a check/push imo so yes its overplayed.

Just lead the turn. If he comes over the top you still have a decision to make, but I think its easier to fold than the way it was played, because he cant narrow your range any tighter than AJ,QQ+ and sets, and the only hand he can reasonably expect to push you off is AJ. (If youve played LAGGY I suppose he could put you on a double barrel semi-bluff, but Id find it hard to pull the trigger on a bluff into that.)

Id probably have to call as played because youve hidden your value well here, and as DS says in TFAP, you can't be too shy about calling to aggression when youve hidden your strength.