200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

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Button ($377.80)
SB ($181.20)
BB ($359.20)
UTG ($106.40)
UTG+1 ($176)
MP1 ($214.90)
Hero ($217.50)
MP3 ($576.20)
CO ($68.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $10, Button calls $10, SB calls $9, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $8.

Flop: ($52) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $58.15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $136</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $207.5</font>, Button calls $71.50.


Full stacked villain is The_Main - 14/10ish.
Shortstack villain is some donk.
Thoughts? Should I ever consider folding to the flop reraise?

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

I never fold this hand.

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

standard. He has a set, but you are getting some decent odds and the 15% of the time he doesn't have a set is enough for you to get it in.

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

looks good to me

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standard. He has a set, but you are getting some decent odds and the 15% of the time he doesn't have a set is enough for you to get it in.

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This was pretty much my exact thinking

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

I'm playing 18 atm, so can't focus much, but i htink this is much closer than peopel are syaing here

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i agree with CDL that this is almost always a set and you obviously have zero fold equity here. But I think that 67c &amp; JTc are in villain's range here also so I'd go with shove even though you are slightly -EV against a set.

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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

arrrrrrrrrr in

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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

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i'm not doing the math but even if you gave main only sets i think it would still be +ev to go all in.

but i assume main could have also cold called with a suited hand.

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No. I don't need to think and I know it is -EV. Look at their stacks.


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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

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i'm not doing the math but even if you gave main only sets i think it would still be +ev to go all in.

but i assume main could have also cold called with a suited hand.

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No. I don't need to think and I know it is -EV. Look at their stacks.


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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

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i'm not doing the math but even if you gave main only sets i think it would still be +ev to go all in.

but i assume main could have also cold called with a suited hand.

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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

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i'm not doing the math but even if you gave main only sets i think it would still be +ev to go all in.

but i assume main could have also cold called with a suited hand.

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All-in for $172.5 more in the OP by hero, assuming villain calls, yields pot odds of $172.5 to $453.65 (what's in the pot plus a call from villain). That's about 2.63:1 pot odds. Assuming that hero has no fold equity (a pretty good assumption given the action and effective stacks), he needs better than 36% equity to make pushing +EV.

Vs sets only, hero has 25.556% equity. That's not good enough.

But vs sets, top two pair, and big draws, it's +EV:

Board: 8s 3c 9c
61.246% { 99-88,33,KcJc,JcTc,98s,7c6c,6c5c}
38.754% { AcQc }

I think villain has big draws along with sets and 2-pair often enough to make it marginally +EV. But hero's usually behind despite being correct to get all the money in.

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

89s is in villains range
J10s, clubs or not, and trying to push you out of the hand, can also be in villain's range.
XXcc in villain's range.

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Yea, all-in. Pretty easy decision on a hand like this, and I say this mainly because 98s is a huge possibility here. Dunno why people are saying "blah blah he always has set blah blah" because he doesn't always. If he always had a set it would be a fold, so saying he always has a set then saying call seems to be bad advice.

Edit: By easy decision I don't mean high high +EV. It is marginally +EV, but enough that it makes it an easy enough decision here.

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I dont see how shoving this marginal spot can be bad for when your shoving this same spot way ahead and people know you could be marginal.

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I never fold this hand.

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What range are you giving the_main here? I've never played with the guy, but going on reputation, this looks like a fold (it's close, though).

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This is pretty marginal EV, but I love to gamb00l. I basically never fold nut flush draws on the flop.

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Yeah, this can't be a huge mistake, but I'm quite positive you're -EV for the hand in question. Sure, this does balance when you do have the big hand, but I don't think it matters much because by the time it gets back to the main, he'll call with whatever he has anyway in later hands. As always, there are other things to consider in terms of how you handle your psyche in big pots.

Overall tho, I think a push here is -EV...maybe a -$15 move or so without crunching #s. Having said that, good chance I play it the same.

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All-in for $172.5 more in the OP by hero, assuming villain calls, yields pot odds of $172.5 to $453.65 (what's in the pot plus a call from villain). That's about 2.63:1 pot odds. Assuming that hero has no fold equity (a pretty good assumption given the action and effective stacks), he needs better than 36% equity to make pushing +EV.

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there are 2pots,

3ways for 226.45(only putting in 23.15 to fight for this)
hu for 298.7(putting in 50%)

depends on how the main is playing, but if you are folding AQ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], your calling range is basically 33,88,99, JT[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], QT[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 76[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] which is pretty tiny

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since CO could have ATC, the main shows up here with a much wider range. Obviously he's dumping a ton of small PP's, like 77 and TT, and he should have repopped with QQ+.

He does show up here a lot with sets and 78 though, which means you have zero FE.

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since CO could have ATC

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I really doubt that's the case here.

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This thread proves that the_main is a balla.

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since CO could have ATC

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I really doubt that's the case here.

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sorry, clearly i did not mean ATC. I meant any PP, any FD, any A9, A8, K9, K8, sets, 2p's etc. He's a shorty in a big pot, he will bet getting it in here w/ any piece of the board.

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i usually talk trash about how good i run before i put him all in.

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since CO could have ATC

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I really doubt that's the case here.

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sorry, clearly i did not mean ATC. I meant any PP, any FD, any A9, A8, K9, K8, sets, 2p's etc. He's a shorty in a big pot, he will bet getting it in here w/ any piece of the board.

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My point really is that I think we can deduct maybe a half or up to a full out with him in.

Re: 200NL - AQs - Multiway Pot With 2p2er
 

Where you at Main? Thought you had some comments?

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Way standard

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I would never fold this vs main. Good for metagame to put it in and show this hand down. I can see main with any flush draw here not just flush draws with gutshots. He prob had like 4c6c and u took down the sidepot with ace hi.

holla