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I expect we will see a lot more "yes" votes than in previous months, but still the same confusion about where to split.

I think initially for traffic reasons 100+ would be best but that the 100nl level can be moved around if things change

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100nl should be the split point its got a lot of very good players that i fear

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One minor subplot of a potential split is where do live hands get posted? Almost all live hand are from 200NL+, but the content level of most live posts seems to be more small stakes type questions.

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I expect we will see a lot more "yes" votes than in previous months, but still the same confusion about where to split.

I think initially for traffic reasons 100+ would be best but that the 100nl level can be moved around if things change

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200+ please

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guys remember we can always resplit it up if we have to.

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holy bajesus, 24 yes's 0 no's

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100nl should be the split point its got a lot of very good players that i fear

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100nl is a fishtank. the only difference is that the regulars at 100nl are much better than the regs at 50nl. But there are just so many fish it's not even relevant

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We're split on where to split. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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So 100NL is the red-headed stepchild?

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What about letting 100NL post in either forum?

It would be:
2NL-100NL
100NL+

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for the ppl that say "no"...may i ask why?

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Why don't whoever can control this just do it. If traffic sucks or whatever, you can always just recombine the forums...it seems very simple IMO.

Just pick somewhere to split it (100NL seems to be a good spot - can post in both) and just do it already.

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200 + should be the line. I agree now for the 1st time this should be done.

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One minor subplot of a potential split is where do live hands get posted? Almost all live hand are from 200NL+, but the content level of most live posts seems to be more small stakes type questions.

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200NL+ live hands should go in the NL 200+ forum because trying to have some kind of split that is NL200+ on line but NL500+ live would be difficult to communicate and enforce.

Maybe that's a good reason to make the split at NL 200+ since most live 1/2 games have a $100 buy-in. That would mean the live split would be 1/2 and 2/2 NL $100 in the lower forum, and 1/2 and 2/2 NL $200+ buy-in in the higher forum. But if the split was NL$100 then you'd end up with some posts from live 1/2 and 2/2 NL$100 games that play a lot like NL$10 on-line.

As for the post quality, the live posters in the higher forum would just run the risk of the usual "you suck" feedback. But I bet there wouldn't be very much of that in the higher forum since there just aren't that many live game posters even if the few you read don't measure up to your expectations.

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Yea, 100nl+ as much as I hate to say it :P

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Who has the ability to do this, and why hasn't it been split already? I know I don't open up hardly any NL50 and under threads to reply to; maybe it's selfish but I'm looking for upper level advice, theory, and hand postings when I come to the FR forum, and usually it's just not here. The regs from higher levels would seem to benefit more from the advice at MSNL because of this.

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100nl should be the split point its got a lot of very good players that i fear

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100nl is a fishtank. the only difference is that the regulars at 100nl are much better than the regs at 50nl. But there are just so many fish it's not even relevant

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I don't ever comment much about this, so here is my two cents. First, I have played 500k+ hands at NL100 and ~200k hands at NL200. They are completely different games. Despite wanting to be with the big boys, the advice/thoughts a NL100 player might give/have just does not measure up to some of the more advanced concepts that a NL200+ utilizes in his or her play.

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I added to 200NL+ but wow this is a close race

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are you talknig about full tilt? i really disagree, replace 200 with 400

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100NL is about adjusting to regulars and their tendancies. The fish are just as bad and only slightly less prominent. 200nl is a completely different ball game. I dont even have to play to know from the content. Also you look at 200nl tables and its almost always 1/2+ familiar faces. 100nl concepts can still be used at 50-, but being a standard solid TAG at 200nl+ isnt going to get you too far. 200+/100- seems like the obvious split.

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wow im so glad i dont play on stars where you guys apparently play lol

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What about letting 100NL post in either forum?

It would be:
2NL-100NL
100NL+

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As a guy who plays 100 and 200, I know that if we split this way, I'd never post a hand on the 2-100 board.

I agree with the general feeling that 200+, in terms of skill, is the best way to split. However, I think you can argue that most of the 100 posts, at least from regular posters, are looking strictly for input from 200+ players because the people posting them are already the best players at 100-. Even if they aren't at 100NL as often as they are at 200NL, there are more regular posters mixing .50/1 and 1/2 than there are mixing .25/.50 and .50/1.

I agree that 200 is a different game, but IMO, the players posting 100NL hands are typically in a 200NL mindset (if that makes sense). Splitting 100- and 200+ is just going to result in a lack of overall 100NL posts, where splitting at 100+ isn't going to change the number of posts at all.

(I didn't vote for where we should split...I think both sides, 100+ and 200+, have a reasonable argument.)

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when you say 200NL is another game, are you talking about general level of every room or just PS and maybe FTP?

I think for people playing in uL 50NL its the level they can reach in a reasonable amount of time and NL100 its a bit out of scope. But, I also understand NL100 its too low for people playing high limits. So, split wherever you want, but please, split [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

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when you say 200NL is another game, are you talking about general level of every room or just PS and maybe FTP?

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Probably just the big sites. I have ~1500 total hands on Absolute and Bodog this year, and the play at 100-200 on those sites is considerably worse than even the donkiest 100 table on FTP.

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Who exactly is in charge of this we always talk about it but it never gets done who ultimatly makes the decision gets it done? I agree with too easy this forum is gonna take a big crap if we don't do some thing.

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if this thread, coupled with too eazy's, doesnt incur a split in this forum i will have officially lost all faith in democracy. also, i would like to know the answer the JF's question above as well

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What about splitting $2-50, $100+ with the idea that in all likelihood there would ultimately be three forums, $2-50, $100-200, and $400+, provided things went well?

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Ehh, you could do it the other way.

I actually voted for 100nl+, but now have changed my mind.

I remember my experience and growth, and I grew a crapload during my 100nl time period, but I was beating it bad when I was still minraising random hands/etc. 100nl is beatable by a lot of bad players, but 200nl is not nearly. 200nl should be the split, most likely for good because of traffic reasons 3 forums doesn't seem plausible.

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I'll just add another vote for 100nl being a floater for now, the worst thing that could happen is that overall traffic decreases as a result of the split and that's more likely to happen if the 100nl players feel pushed into either camp.

I voted against the split last time, but the amount of resentment I see from some higher stakes players directed at the micro players makes me think they are better off separated.

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whoevers in charge of this needs to quit sitting around and picking their butts and make this happen

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whoevers in charge of this needs to quit sitting around and picking their butts and make this happen

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whoevers in charge of this needs to quit sitting around and picking their butts and make this happen

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Have some patience. The upgrade is imminent, and I suspect the reds will be wanting to get that up and working before any new forums are created.

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How bout split at the same time as upgrade?
I assume that would be the easiest?

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I voted for PL100+ because I play that level, sometimes PL200 and want to move up. Also, I found the difference between PL50 and PL100 quite substantial. PL50 is a joke and you just hammer everybody into submission. At PL100 you will run into resistance earlier and more often. But maybe it's different in NL?