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Do you usually call when people donk into you on the river here when the flush hit. I hold nut straight but is there a reason to raise.
I usually do but lately have been wondering what the better players would think

villain is calling station as is 2/3 of pokerstars
no stats yet on him but he's a donk trust me.

Plus I think PF limping my hand on the button is more profitable then rasing after a limper especially.
thoughts on that too If you wouldnt mind
Ty in advance

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG folds

Turn: (4.5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, SB calls

River: (6.5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?????

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You should learn to think clearly.

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villain is calling station

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aaron, that's nice, so what is your advice to him

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The villain is probably a level one thinker and has put no thought into what you hold. He just made a flush, two pair, a set, or a straight. Of these I think a flush is the most likely followed by 97 for the straight.

I think raising here is OK if you can fold to a 3-bet from this calling station. However, in practice I just call here because I don't like folding straights heads up on the river. This is the low variance approach and I =am most likely losing value here.

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I don't iso-raise with a hand like this. I'd limp it.

On the river, I think this is an easy raise, and I call a three-bet. If villain just rivered a backdoor flush, I'm going to have to lose some money, but I think this is a spiked set, a rivered two pair, a smaller straight, or just a randomly weird play much more often than it's the flush.

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aaron whats your post about, why post with no info

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aaron whats your post about, why post with no info

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Give him a break, he is probably a little tired from the massive post on bankrolls.

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aaron, that's nice, so what is your advice to him

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What is the range of hands for a calling station that donks a straight and flush card? It's probably something like 55, 97, and flush. If you raise, you have to raise/fold. Otherwise you can just call. If you think you have to raise/call because you don't have enough of a read to call him a calling station to allow you to raise/fold, then just call.

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really raise fold river, thats the line?
I thought maybe he has flush, but you dont think any value is missed by not getting 55 or 97 to pay 3 bets, is it always a raise fold. Obv raise call situation but raise fold not so obv I think?
IDK

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im just calling here

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really raise fold river, thats the line?
I thought maybe he has flush, but you dont think any value is missed by not getting 55 or 97 to pay 3 bets, is it always a raise fold. Obv raise call situation but raise fold not so obv I think?
IDK

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Listen, you clown....

It's raise/fold based on your read. You said he's a calling station. Does a calling station 3bet a flush/straight river with bottom set? Does he 3bet a flush/straight river with the second-nut straight?

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villain is calling station...trust me.

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Okey. If you can't fold to the 3bet, just call, trust me.

Edited for some creative editing in the second quote.

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SO WHICH LINE IS LIKED BY MOST
[ ] RAISE/FOLD
[ ] RAISE/CALL
[ ] CALL

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[x] CALL

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But, raise/fold is also viable. I'm naturally curious and for me the read is more important than the ~0.01BB I get by raise/folding.

BTW, I lol'ed a bit at your reads.
Iso-raising calling station(s) with T9s...

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It's raise/fold based on your read. You said he's a calling station. Does a calling station 3bet a flush/straight river with bottom set? Does he 3bet a flush/straight river with the second-nut straight?

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the point of contention is how much the river card has adjusted your equity against his range based on his actions.

i believe we do not have the equity to raise here

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It's raise/fold based on your read. You said he's a calling station. Does a calling station 3bet a flush/straight river with bottom set? Does he 3bet a flush/straight river with the second-nut straight?

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the point of contention is how much the river card has adjusted your equity against his range based on his actions.

i believe we do not have the equity to raise here

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I should have clarified...I agree we don't have the equity to raise. I was merely responding to Busto's apparent disputation of Aaron's suggestion that he has to fold to a 3bet if he raises. (Based on the way this thread went, I'm wagering that Busto raised the river, called a 3-bet and was shown a set of somethings or the smaller straight.)

This is a flush for Villan 100% of the time, maybe more.

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ty bozlax
was shown flush by villain
he had 106hh

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ty bozlax
was shown flush by villain
he had 106hh

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You raise/called?

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yes

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I probably just call...

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Im not raising an UTG limper with 9T unless he is very weak.

I wish I could say that I would just call the river -- but it would be a lie so I dont -- but I wish it wouldnt be.

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Xman-
Only 4 players in this hand. UTG=CO.

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i understand rasing was stupid but as played I told you all what to give, river line?

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i understand rasing was stupid but as played I told you all what to give, river line?

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o rly?

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Plus I think PF limping my hand on the button is more profitable then rasing after a limper especially.
thoughts on that too If you wouldnt mind

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btw, you will get better responses if you don't act like a bitch (which includes TYPING IN ALL CAPS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S THREADS).

hth.

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This is a flush for Villan 100% of the time, maybe more.

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I love it. Call.

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rly caps in other threads must have said something contradicting I guess
lol replyaments