I don\'t know what to do...
 

UTG+1 seemed good and a little laggy.
SB was bad and complaining about how bad he was running and is maybe a little tilty.

I think preflop is close, but I thought I had SB's range crushed and since UTG+1 had lagged it up I guessed that I was in front of his range too.
What should I do on the turn? I pondered raising to shut UTG+1 out from drawing but I didn't like having to put 3 bets in if SB had 2 pair or better. Also should I just c/c flop?


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Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">HERO 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, HERO calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, HERO ???

Re: I don\'t know what to do...
 

First thoughts are on PF:
I don't think there's anything wrong with just calling. I'm not a big fan of 3-betting this.

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I don't like the 3 bet pf either.

As played I would raise the turn and take it from there. A pair of J and a fd/sd are all in his range, plus you have outs against J8, J9, 98 so I wouldn't freak out just yet. If he 3 balls I'd probably call down, although calling the turn and folding the river is certainly an option depending on any reads you have on sb.

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Geez, SB could have AcTc, Tc8c, or just a plain old T9 or something for all we know.
Lots of non-2-pair hands plus stuff like AJ or T9 are still possible here although you holding the Qc takes a couple of those draw-hand possibilities away.

You don't know if pairing the king is good or not but I think you have to raise here.

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I play preflop the same

To be honest I dont know about the turn

So many hands you are behind to. On the other hand you would like to fold out UTG+1.

I think I just call but I am far from sure

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I would make an automatic bet on the flop too, but seriously is that any good ? You are almost never ahead, and probably dont have equity even 3handed. Plus you could take a freecard instead of paying 2 small bets.

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i'm with oink on just calling the turn, but i don't see why we would raise preflop: we don't have such a big equity edge, we are out of position, we have little fold equity, we lose our good relative position, we are bloating the pot making them correct to chase. i'd rather c/r a good flop.

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its tough, we want to push out draws but raising the turn just doesnt seem right on this board, i think i am calling down

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I just call turn and hope for the best, but raise/calling to shut out UTG1 is def attractive. He's probably got outs against you and he'll even havea tough time calling with AK. I just dont think you have the best hand/enough fold equity often enough to raise. Given SB's description, I think you'd have to call down a 3bet as well, which further deters me from raising.

Anyways, I'm pretty surprised oink 3bets pf here. I call about 1000% of the time for same reasons rzk said

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yeah I just tried stoving and even against wide ranges´it doesnt look like our edge is that huge.

Maybe I 3-bet too much here

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Even gainst generous ranges here consider that you are OOP against the PF raiser who evident;y is not a terrible player.

I agree with rzk that this seems to be pointlessly bloating the pot without THAT much of an edge to justify it.

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I'm not a fan of the preflop play. It would be closer if your hand was suited. As is, I would just call. On the turn, villain doesn't seem to fear the King, which should hit your range pretty solidly since you didn't 3-bet the flop. So I would just call down.

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I call pf and the action changes on the flop.

We check the flop UTG1 bets and SB c/r. We are faced with 2 cold getting 4.5:1 to call. We have 3 clean out to the T and a club T gives us flush redraws. A Q is gross. I give it 0.5 an out max. I give the our K outs 1.0 just because it feels right. 3 outs for the ten. 1.5 for the bdfd 1.5 for our pairs. 6 outs getting 4.5:1. Looks like a fold with that action.

As played get to show down as cheap as possible now unless the action gets crazy.

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Does anyone 3-bet the flop? It could clean up overs and buy a free card.

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Does anyone 3-bet the flop? It could clean up overs and buy a free card.

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no, i like money