$11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

I wish I could say I had a read on this opponent, but the only note I had was that he played very loose from the blinds. This was the first hand he had come over the top of a raise. I originally thought that not betting the turn was my biggest mistake, because it seems like I telegraph that I have AK/AQ here and he shuts down with overpairs. Though, I'm really, really confused at what to put him on here.

Should I be betting out on the turn to represent that i'm bet/folding a pair like tens or jacks? I was confused at his check behind on the flop; not sure whether this meant a couple big unpaired cards, or a pair smaller than nines, or what it could be.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t18275)
MP3 (t12314)
CO (t23085)
Button (t11471)
SB (t14935)
BB (t3369)
UTG (t8835)
Hero (t24004)
MP1 (t3015)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t2915</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t3600.

Flop: (t15515) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t15515) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (t15515) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t4800</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: t15515

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

the flop is okay but really, bet the turn

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

I open shove the flop. If we were deeper (like 2/3 PSB effective), I'd C/R AI.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

i shove pre...is this bad?

MP1 can have any pair/high cards/SC (he has 3 BB's)

FE is slim after CO commits 1/4 his stack but w/ blinds &amp; antes + all that money...

I mean flat calling leaves us w/ ~1 PSB OOP...what flops are you leading, what flops are you trying to check down, when are you ck/folding?

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

Gotta shove flop or turn

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

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the flop is okay but really, bet the turn

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Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

CO could just be trying to make a really weak iso-play pf with like, 66-88 or something, but regardless it's good (and probably standard) to get it in pf, on the flop, OR on the turn. don't think too much. most times when your opponent checks, he's weak enough to fold. not always...but most. me, personally, i open shove the flop. any hand he has, you're certainly live against if he calls at all. get it in there, take it down.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

I'd push PreFlop.

I'd push the Flop.

I'd push the Turn.

I'd push the River. (Especially here as I want this to seem like an overbet/steal and induce a call).

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

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I'd push PreFlop.

I'd push the Flop.

I'd push the Turn.

I'd push the River. (Especially here as I want this to seem like an overbet/steal and induce a call).

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As Popped Rod said.

The flop was great, the turn was greater, river is ok card here. Build the pot. Bet every turn at least 2/3.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

bet flop
bet flop
bet flop
then
bet turn
bet turn

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

I tend to 4bet shove PF, but I don't see anything wrong with calling.

On the flop, your intention is to CRAI, no?

Once that plan fails, I would bet the turn, as others have said.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

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i shove pre...is this bad?

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No it isn't.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

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I'd push PreFlop.

I'd push the Flop.

I'd push the Turn.

I'd push the River. (Especially here as I want this to seem like an overbet/steal and induce a call).

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Is this a troll post? Perhaps I'm just really, really slow, but I don't understand why pushing all in is the best play to maximize gain in this hand. What worse hands are going to call us? Am I overestimating my opponent here?

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

this case isnt really about "what worse hands are going to call us" because we have huge equity on every street.

its just the fact that while shoving may be a bit of an overbet its not so huge that its bad

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

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I'd push PreFlop.

I'd push the Flop.

I'd push the Turn.

I'd push the River. (Especially here as I want this to seem like an overbet/steal and induce a call).

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Is this a troll post? Perhaps I'm just really, really slow, but I don't understand why pushing all in is the best play to maximize gain in this hand. What worse hands are going to call us? Am I overestimating my opponent here?

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I'm not a forum regular but I'm not a troll.

Pushing PF - Unless you have a dead on read that CO is raising AA/KK, I think that keeping your foot on the pedal and pushing is the best way to get all CO's chips in PF, thereby maximizing potential gain (or loss).

Alot of times AK needs to see all five cards. CO might have had JJ. What would you have done if the clubs didn't hit the flop and he CB'ed?

Pushing the flop is also a way to maximize gain as you are on a draw to the nut flush and hopefully your overcards will be good as well. That gives you 9+3+3 for 15 outs to win. CO would call here also with overpair.

Pushing the turn - Since CO checked the flop (and should have bet to protect against the flush), you can narrow his range to med PP, AK, AQ, AJ type hands. By pushing here, you charge the PP to see the river and avoid sucking out with a set. Same thing with AQ/AJ. You may be ahead now but on fifth street anything can happen.

Pushing the River - As I posted, you want to induce a bluff. You could do that my checking again but what are the odds that CO will bet a PP with that turn? By overbetting, you look weak and hope to get a big call from an unbeliever.

My two cents, Rod

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

Listen Popped Rod. And read something about "Maniuplating the pot size". This is a cruical concept for getting better on poker. Slowplay is only good for showing the table, "look, i'm not checking with nothing only, so be careful and do not be aggressive against me" and had to be done 1 or max. 2 times.

Edit : It's 3 A.M here and i'm too lazy now, i'd be writing things about manipulating pot size, but search for Bond18's post here.

Re: $11 20k gtd: AKs UTG vs pos 3-bet; should I bet turn?
 

1. shove pre 2. shove postflop 3. bet turn