This forum has 3 months to live without a split
 

This is my prediction. This forum is currently running at about C+ caliber.

I predict it will be in the D range very soon without a forum split.

I really enjoy discussing full ring poker but a forum cluttered with uNL posts that have nothing to do with anything I'm interested in means I pretty much only read chat posts and OT posts which really isn't what I'd like to be doing with my time (meaning eventually I will probably give up on 2p2).

It's clear I'm not alone on this.

PLEASE SPLIT FORUMS. I don't care if it's split <200nl and =>200nl, or split 3 way or whatever, just pleaseeee split.

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split is goot w/ me

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split works for split

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Don't mind a split neither to be honest...

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I agree I haven't posted on this forum a lot and I won't unless there is a split. All I see are 200nl and below hands posted on here, it's pathetic.

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I agree w/ need a split and we need one sooner rather then later, it should have been long ago.

100nl and lower, and 200nl and higher... Split split.

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I agree w/ need a split and we need one sooner rather then later, it should have been long ago.

100nl and lower, and 400nl and higher... Split split.

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And it really should be 600nl and higher but apparently none of the players post on here except me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Im all for a split, but we all know we are wasting our time on this topic. This thread will go for a week and there wont be a split until we get more traffic on the forum. Get more high limit posters and you will see a split for sure.

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Agree. Make it 200nl+ 100nl- plz.

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Im all for a split, but we all know we are wasting our time on this topic. This thread will go for a week and there wont be a split until we get more traffic on the forum. Get more high limit posters and you will see a split for sure.

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This forum has the highest traffic out of any under PL/NL iirc.

High stakes full ring players are posting in the Med/High stakes forums because of the perception that this forum is overpopulated with uNL players. Believe that.

A split will encourage traffic.

Also, Epipen, I feel that 400nl is a pretty significant jump from 200nl and in the best interest of traffic it's best to start there if we do a split into Full Ring Med/High and Full ring Low/uNL

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Yes please split.

I'd say NL200 or NL400 and above. I don't think there is enough people playing higher to split it at NL600.

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Agree. Make it 200nl+ 100nl- plz.

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Im all for a split, but we all know we are wasting our time on this topic. This thread will go for a week and there wont be a split until we get more traffic on the forum. Get more high limit posters and you will see a split for sure.

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This forum has the highest traffic out of any under PL/NL iirc.

High stakes full ring players are posting in the Med/High stakes forums because of the perception that this forum is overpopulated with uNL players. Believe that.

A split will encourage traffic.

Also, Epipen, I feel that 400nl is a pretty significant jump from 200nl and in the best interest of traffic it's best to start there if we do a split into Full Ring Med/High and Full ring Low/uNL

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In the last split thread the main issue was the fact that we didnt have that much traffic. I dont read the uNL/SS/MS/HS much so I wouldnt really know how traffic compares. I am just basing what I think will happen on what happened last time. Trust me I would love a split if it attract more high limit posters to this forum. And also more uNL that are afraid to post.

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I don't have access to the traffic from various forums, but I would be interested to know what the MTT strat. forum was before and after they split it. The same debate went on over there for about 6 months before they finally split it.

The new High Stakes MTT forum is excellent and from what I can tell the lower stakes forum still has a lot of traffic. I'm sure a lot of micro MTT guys lurk and benefit from the increased # of posts from good posters since the High Stakes forum was created. Posters like bakes, gobboboy, zeejustin etc. had stopped posting strat. since the forum(pre split) had gotten diluted with noob strat posts that kept getting asked over and over. Now that there is a high stakes forum I would guess the overall volume of traffic between the 2 forums is considerably higher than it was pre split.

So in summary I am highly in favor of at least 2 forums.

Body Man D

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I don't have access to the traffic from various forums, but I would be interested to know what the MTT strat. forum was before and after they split it. The same debate went on over there for about 6 months before they finally split it.

The new High Stakes MTT forum is excellent and from what I can tell the lower stakes forum still has a lot of traffic. I'm sure a lot of micro MTT guys lurk and benefit from the increased # of posts from good posters since the High Stakes forum was created. Posters like bakes, gobboboy, zeejustin etc. had stopped posting strat. since the forum(pre split) had gotten diluted with noob strat posts that kept getting asked over and over. Now that there is a high stakes forum I would guess the overall volume of traffic between the 2 forums is considerably higher than it was pre split.

So in summary I am highly in favor of at least 2 forums.

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IF BODY MAN D WANTS IT THEN WE MUST HAVE IT.

SPLIT NOW.

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This forum has the highest traffic out of any under PL/NL iirc.

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Huh?

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Im all for a split, but we all know we are wasting our time on this topic. This thread will go for a week and there wont be a split until we get more traffic on the forum. Get more high limit posters and you will see a split for sure.

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This forum has the highest traffic out of any under PL/NL iirc.

High stakes full ring players are posting in the Med/High stakes forums because of the perception that this forum is overpopulated with uNL players. Believe that.

A split will encourage traffic.

Also, Epipen, I feel that 400nl is a pretty significant jump from 200nl and in the best interest of traffic it's best to start there if we do a split into Full Ring Med/High and Full ring Low/uNL

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I am out of touch with 200nl and even 400nl as I haven't played either in over 2 years (and it's been like 3 years since I played 200nl) so I don't know how they play today compared to 2-3 years ago. All I know is when I played they were so different than 600nl+ it wasn't even funny and I have a feeling that is still true.

Personally based on the style of play I think we should have 100nl and below, 200-400nl, and 600nl+. Obviously for me that is ideal and I will admit I am out of touch on how anything lower than 600nl plays in todays world, so if anyone could fill me in who has played these limits recently it would help. However I do agree that any type of split imo would be much much much better than it is now.

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This forum has the highest traffic out of any under PL/NL iirc.

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Huh?

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Thought that was the case.

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pretty sure it goes ssnl, msnl, frnl, hsnl

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I used to be against a split but even im sick of the trash tahts posted at 50nl and below. Same Is my AA good here, should I fold KK, AK etc etc. Seems like no one is learning.

Please split.

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A split would be good.

It would also be good to clarify the non-FR NL/PL forums as "6-max" or "Short Handed" or "SH" or whatever.

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Split immediately please!!! 200+. What's holding this up?

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I used to be against a split but even im sick of the trash tahts posted at 50nl and below. Same Is my AA good here, should I fold KK, AK etc etc. Seems like no one is learning.

Please split.

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I think it is less likely that no one is learning, so much as we frequently get new posters who don't have the time or patience to search through thousands of old posts about these kinds of topics.

So, at low stakes, those questions should be expected and accepted. Which is all the more reason for a split, so that the higher level might have fewer of those kinds of posts. And at the lower limit those kinds of posts might get decent answers repeated back to them rather than ignored or ridiculed.

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pretty sure it goes ssnl, msnl, frnl, hsnl

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As an example, right now, we are last in terms of people viewing ssnl, msnl, hsnl, unl, frnl. That fluctuates obviously, but we are certainly not the biggest.

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And at the lower limit those kinds of posts might get decent answers repeated back to them rather than ignored or ridiculed.

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This is most of the reason I'm so for this. The new guys looking for honest help are getting (maybe rightfully... sorta) ridiculed and it's just awful for the entire environment.

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The 2p2 forums are a learning community for poker players to get better. A split will better allow the FR community to move forward w/ thier games, thus, meeting one of the goals of these forums. Traffic should not play a role in the split when comparing the existing FR forum to other forums. Especially since splitting this forum is a relativly easy process from an administrator standpoint.

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pretty sure it goes ssnl, msnl, frnl, hsnl

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As an example, right now, we are last in terms of people viewing ssnl, msnl, hsnl, unl, frnl. That fluctuates obviously, but we are certainly not the biggest.

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So if the only argument against is that we don't have as much traffic as the other forum's mentioned, how do we compare to say the Books and Publications forum or the Golf forum or the Stox Poker forum or the Health and Fitness forum etc. etc?

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pretty sure it goes ssnl, msnl, frnl, hsnl

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As an example, right now, we are last in terms of people viewing ssnl, msnl, hsnl, unl, frnl. That fluctuates obviously, but we are certainly not the biggest.

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So if the only argument against is that we don't have as much traffic as the other forum's mentioned, how do we compare to say the Books and Publications forum or the Golf forum or the Stox Poker forum or the Health and Fitness forum etc. etc?

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The what?
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Not at all, I'm just tossing out facts. Traffic is a consideration for the owners though.

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If we split then we dont have any more of these threads right?

Gogogogogogogogogo splitaments.

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chop chop

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Another reason I would be in favor of a split is that the correct advice for a question in a 25NL game can be quite different than if the same question were asked in a 600NL context. In other words, advice for a specific situation is better answered by someone who plays the same limit and therefore understands the play at that level.

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I actually think you would get a lot more combined traffic if you split the forums. It seems like 90 percent of the people would view the forums more if it was split and would post/view more if it was infact split. It seems like everyone is getting fed up with the forums without a split, and rightfully.

Lowestakes players would post more hands because they wouldn't be afraid of being made fun of.

Medium/High stake players would post more hands because they would get input from players who play at a similar level and it would generate a lot better discussion.

I don't see how traffic would go down if we split the forums. If we split the forums and you took the combined traffic from the lowstake/medium/high stake full ring forums, I think it would drastically improve, not go down.

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I was against a split the last 2 times, but now think we are ready.

There have been a few more 400+ players contributing - and I do think this would grow with time.

Traffic is obviously a consideration - without it a forum withers on the vine. If the split happened too soon, this may well have happened. I think contributor numbers are now high enough to make this happen.

I vote for 200+ as the split point ( I will probably post in both).

As for dying in 3 months, it won't. It just won't serve the purpose you want it to.

And the 600+ forum? It will be a lonely place EPipen, but if you like tumbleweed....Seriously, that will take a year or so, but you'll get better quality in the interim in 200+

I still think it is a relatively close decision, but on balance I'm for the split.

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When this came up last month I didn't really care if it was split. I now think it should be split.

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I actually think you would get a lot more combined traffic if you split the forums. It seems like 90 percent of the people would view the forums more if it was split and would post/view more if it was infact split. It seems like everyone is getting fed up with the forums without a split, and rightfully.

Lowestakes players would post more hands because they wouldn't be afraid of being made fun of.

Medium/High stake players would post more hands because they would get input from players who play at a similar level and it would generate a lot better discussion.

I don't see how traffic would go down if we split the forums. If we split the forums and you took the combined traffic from the lowstake/medium/high stake full ring forums, I think it would drastically improve, not go down.

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agree

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lol

FRNL is a solid performer when compared to strat forums as a whole. However, it is still easily the smallest no limit forum.

As I write this:

High Stakes (99 viewing)
Medium Stakes (100 viewing)
Small Stakes (121 viewing)
Micro Stakes (65 viewing)
Full Ring (51 viewing)

Obv this is not the best metric to use and it is very flawed but I think it gives us a reasonable ballpark.

I'm sure FRNL will inevitably be split my worry is that doing so prematurely will result in two small forums that won't have the critical mass required to remain vibrant.

The complaint is that there are too many threads of various levels to keep up with. However, I think this is a straw man as the reality is that we're averaging less than 50 new threads a day (usually around 40) and all threads are labeled as to level (those that aren't I routinely edit to comply).

In addition, the claim is made that splitting the forum will cause a migration of players over from MSNL/HSNL who have not wanted to sully themselves by associating with the great unwashed. I find that a dubious claim, at best.

The reason small stakes and micro stakes full ring players flocked to FRNL is that they were such a small minority in SSNL/uNL and very marginalized. If full ring players do not feel that way in MSNL/HSNL there's very little impetus for them to switch. At least not for a very long time until the full ring forum(s) establish themselves as an attractive alternative. I don't think that's predicated on a split - A new, empty forum isn't going to do it either.

Threads started in the last week:

400NL - 8
200NL - 30
100NL - 47
50NL - 70
25NL - 36
10NL - 19
5NL - 3
Live - 8


I would think that a split would be at 100NL for two reasons. To follow the precedent set by the SSNL/uNL split and to ensure a reasonable split of traffic among the new forums.

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Threads started in the last week:

400NL - 8
200NL - 30
100NL - 47
50NL - 70
25NL - 36
10NL - 19
5NL - 3
Live - 8


[/ QUOTE ]I don't think this is a good measuring tool either. A lot of $200+ regulars say that they'd post alot more if the forum was split. Mr. Donk and SABR42 come to mind but there have been many more that have said the same.