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The agent of my landlord, who showed me this place that I am renting said that snow removal covered a very long stepped walkway from the apt to the driveway.

Apparently, the agent misrepresented the landlord who has no intention of removing this snow.

Recourse?

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Look at your lease. Buy a shovel.

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Slip & Fall -- then sue.

All future tenants will benefit as well.

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Should have made sure it was a term in your lease! Your word against his.

Have fun shoveling.

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Basically your recourse is going to be the same as with most landlord/tenant disputes.

Bitch and moan.


"The agent, acting on your behalf, made it clear that snow removal was part of the deal and I made it clear that me paying rent was part of the deal. Now if the first part of the deal isn't held up, I don't see why I should hold up my end of the bargain. If there is a problem with this, or if the agent misrepresented things, than you can feel free to take it up with him or we can work out a rent deduction and I'll take care of the snow removal."


Similar thing happened to my parents. They rent half a duplex with a huge backyard and the landlord was supposed to do the upkeep, but never did. Eventually, she just started paying my dad per month to take care of it. Basically ended up being a rent reduction in exchange for snow shoveling and lawn mowing.

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I'm going to shovel and then send the bill for the labor.
What do you think a good rate for shoveling is?

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Realistically? like $8/hr probably... better to hire a Mexican to do it and then bill the landlord double whatever you pay him, call it a contractor's fee.

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Let us know when you get the check.

And if you reduce your rent payment to cover the bill, let us know how he responds. This oughta be fun....

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I'm going to shovel and then send the bill for the labor.
What do you think a good rate for shoveling is?

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while youre at it, why dont you shovel everyone's drive on your block and send them all bills. theyre all about as liable as the landlord if it's not in the lease.

sounds like a good money-making scheme youve discovered.

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picture of walkway or it doesn't exist.

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OP, just hire some neighborhood kid to shovel the walkway for $10. Hell, when I was 8 years old, I would've stacked 3 cords of wood for $10.

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The walkway is >50 yards and the agents promise of snow removal did get me to sign the lease.

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Let us know when you get the check.

And if you reduce your rent payment to cover the bill, let us know how he responds. This oughta be fun....

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I don't expect a check from him.

I am going to use the bill as the basis of a small claims court claim. The drive from NYC to the poconos is not worth $75 bucks. Also, I am not going to withhold rent.

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OP, just hire some neighborhood kid to shovel the walkway for $10. Hell, when I was 8 years old, I would've stacked 3 cords of wood for $10.

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I'd have paid you seven buschels of cherries and a gross of hen's eggs, kiddo!

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OP, just hire some neighborhood kid to shovel the walkway for $10. Hell, when I was 8 years old, I would've stacked 3 cords of wood for $10.

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I'd have paid you seven buschels of cherries and a gross of hen's eggs, kiddo!

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LOL.

The fact that I know what a cord of wood is is pretty depressing. Growing up in a cold-weather environment, FTL.

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Yea I don't think you have [censored] against them.

I'm the caretaker of 5 apartments at the moment (receive a very healthy cut from a friend thats the actual landlord), and I shovel allllll the tenants longass stairs and walkways and they know I do it and don't say [censored], not in their contracts and so taken for granted [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Dibbs, in my contract it says "snow removal".

If you shoveled my walkway, I'd give you hot coco with some Chivas in it.

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Normally a verbal contract is just as valid as a written one but in some jurisdictions when it comes to contracts involving sale or rental of real estate that rule does not apply.

My suggestion would be to contact the rental / landlord dispute tribunal information number and tell them your story and see what they say.

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If you get flack let me know, I'll ask my boy, his lawyer seems pretty good even with all the bitching from my friend. But yea I'd confront the actual landlord about it letting him know what the agent told you, and then go from there, you may have already done this, but you could have it handled right there or have a whole new path to take from there at least...

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I did talk to his dumbass brother in law before I posted this. They are from New York and I had to hold the phone at arms length because he started yelling at me while I maintained my cool PA dutch demeanor. I offered to shovel for a fee.

BTW, this is not a money making scheme. I don't want to shovel a 150 foot walkway everytime it snows.

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Dibbs, in my contract it says "snow removal".



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what does the lease say about it?

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The agent of my landlord, who showed me this place that I am renting said that snow removal covered a very long stepped walkway from the apt to the driveway.

Apparently, the agent misrepresented the landlord who has no intention of removing this snow.

Recourse?

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Umm. Is this based on the fact that your walk was not cleaned this morning? Why not call the landlord first and ask him when the walk will be shoveled? He could have been caught off guard by the first snowfall of the year -- I always was when I lived in snow country...

If you have been told that it will not be cleaned -- What kind of home do you rent? Is this a multi-unit property? Your legal rights can vary.

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Dibbs, in my contract it says "snow removal".



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what does the lease say about it?

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Yea, and what did you say to the brother in law that he'd scream about crap? Sounds like you're in for a fun time with these guys ;/

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Umm. Is this based on the fact that your walk was not cleaned this morning? Why not call the landlord first and ask him when the walk will be shoveled? He could have been caught off guard by the first snowfall of the year -- I always was when I lived in snow country...

If you have been told that it will not be cleaned -- What kind of home do you rent? Is this a multi-unit property? Your legal rights can vary.

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This is based on the phone call I had with him this morning.

Here is the other thing: The units are quads, so most of the walkway is used by multiple units, (none of which are occupied, save mine) so when this place is full, how do we determine who shovels?

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Umm. Is this based on the fact that your walk was not cleaned this morning? Why not call the landlord first and ask him when the walk will be shoveled? He could have been caught off guard by the first snowfall of the year -- I always was when I lived in snow country...

If you have been told that it will not be cleaned -- What kind of home do you rent? Is this a multi-unit property? Your legal rights can vary.

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This is based on the phone call I had with him this morning.

Here is the other thing: The units are quads, so most of the walkway is used by multiple units, (none of which are occupied, save mine) so when this place is full, how do we determine who shovels?

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That answers the question. It is common area. Is the building in New York or Pa. In New York, the landlord is generally responsible for maintaining the common areas such as this walkway. (Probably the case in PA as well, but I can't say for sure.) I would recommend that you write to the landlord and politley request that the walks be shoveled before 7AM (or whatever time) on days when it snowed overnight. If you don't get a proper response, you will need to report him to the proper agency in your municipality. Most building departments/sanitation departments have escolating fees for these kind of things -- he could get a ticket for $100 the first time, $250 the second time, etc... but it varies a lot.

Call city hall...

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yeah definitely should have mentioned that this is a common area...he's probably pissed that the other units are empty right now, not your problem.

more details about guy on phone yelling please.

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yeah definitely should have mentioned that this is a common area...he's probably pissed that the other units are empty right now, not your problem.

more details about guy on phone yelling please.

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He kept saying I'm losing money on this place
me: how is that relevent?
I'm trying not to get extremely enraged right now.

What are we gonna do about this? he misrepresented you
We aren't too happy with them, I'm paying for the water anyway
Relevancy?
Thanks for the last two responses. I kinda knew I was in the right because of how pissed off this guy got.

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Here is the other thing: We kinda thought this place was a steal for the price because it seems going through ownership issues. and the appliances are all new and really nice.

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Hi,
Just got back from Ski Side Village. Location is great, but it goes downhill from there. Everything in the unit was about 20-25 years old. Heavily stained carpets. There was a double bed downstairs, a double bed upstairs and a pull out couch. There is a Jacuzzi and a Sauna upstairs. No need for the Sauna since the weather was mid eighties all week. They are remodeling. There is a big dumpster, but it is for the construction crew. The garbage people put in the dumpster ends up being thrown into the parking lot. This is the first view you get. Garbage all over the place. Hopefully you get one of the renovated units away from the dumpster. The pool looked nice and the grounds aren't bad to walk around. It looks like they are trying to sell the units off as townhouses. They'll need to do quite a bit of work to do that.


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Well they did the work and these places are great.

BTW, they tried to stick us in the fruthest away one for some reason (probobly because it would be the hardest to sell). Now it is biting them in the ass.

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