15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
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Background on villain. He is fairly laggy. He will betbetbet with almost any pair to the river, or even ace high in position. A few hands ago he donked into me in a blind steal situation on the river and I raised him with nothing and showed after he folded. A couple hands after that I made a straight on the river and CRed him. He is prob steaming and likely hates me. I am up like a million dollars at this point and everyone at the table is scared shitless of me, because I am a terrorist. I raise utg+1 with AQdd This guy that loooooves to coldcall me coldcalls me. HU to flop Flop 672 2 diamonds. I bet he raises. I figure he has nothing, and decide to CC every street UI, so I call. Turn is a 9 of diamonds I CR. he 3 bets. I 4 bet. He five bets. For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. My Q is, do I keep going now, or do I spring to life on the river to confuse him and get the rest of his monies? |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
keep raising now and do it quick before he starts thinking not that that's too likely. if another diamond comes or the board pairs or something awful on the river he might slow down after the river c/r (or have you beat somehow). btw this is not up for debate, this is the correct play. post a hand where something interesting happens.
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Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
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15/30 Background on villain. He is fairly laggy. He will betbetbet with almost any pair to the river, or even ace high in position. A few hands ago he donked into me in a blind steal situation on the river and I raised him with nothing and showed after he folded. A couple hands after that I made a straight on the river and CRed him. He is prob steaming and likely hates me. I am up like a million dollars at this point and everyone at the table is scared shitless of me, because I am a terrorist. I raise utg+1 with AQdd This guy that loooooves to coldcall me coldcalls me. HU to flop Flop 672 2 diamonds. I bet he raises. I figure he has nothing, and decide to CC every street UI, so I call. Turn is a 9 of diamonds I CR. he 3 bets. I 4 bet. He five bets. For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. My Q is, do I keep going now, or do I spring to life on the river to confuse him and get the rest of his monies? [/ QUOTE ] If I believe he does not have the straight flush, I never quite raising on the turn. After all, the river could bring a scare card that would by necessity slow me down. eg, board pair or 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. So why quite now when you know you are ahead? |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
cmon snowball why would you slow down now when he could have a set or lower flush or something and he has the bull sees red flag mindset. generally i scoff at lines where one has the nuts, goes several bets on a street, then tries some ridiculous screwplay trap on the next street which just screams out 'wake up dumbass' to the unfortunate villain
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Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
Don't stop raising.
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Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
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For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. My Q is, do I keep going now, or do I spring to life on the river to confuse him and get the rest of his monies? [/ QUOTE ] God you are so terrible. Repost this in ultra-micro-Yen forums or something please. |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
WOW... what's it like to always have the nuts... :-)
Don't stop... |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
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15/30 Background on villain. He is fairly laggy. He will betbetbet with almost any pair to the river, or even ace high in position. A few hands ago he donked into me in a blind steal situation on the river and I raised him with nothing and showed after he folded. A couple hands after that I made a straight on the river and CRed him. He is prob steaming and likely hates me. I am up like a million dollars at this point and everyone at the table is scared shitless of me, because I am a terrorist. I raise utg+1 with AQdd This guy that loooooves to coldcall me coldcalls me. HU to flop Flop 672 2 diamonds. I bet he raises. I figure he has nothing, and decide to CC every street UI, so I call. Turn is a 9 of diamonds I CR. he 3 bets. I 4 bet. He five bets. For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. My Q is, do I keep going now, or do I spring to life on the river to confuse him and get the rest of his monies? [/ QUOTE ] if he is indeed full of rage, keeping raising and spray the chips quickly into the pot. this is only gonna piss him off more and keep rational thought far from his mind. |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
Do not stop betting on the turn without a doubt. Keep it simple.
I think you painted a nice meta-game picture with your intro to the hand. The table is currently steaming against you. They hate you. Villain is thus particularly unable to make a big fold (i.e. a fold here on the turn after a ton of action) against you at this point in the game. So keep the villain 2BB away from seeing your hand by re-raising now. I think when you are running good you get paid even better by playing completely straight-forward becuase others just can't beleive you still have it. |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
Slightly tangential, but I also think others are more likely to take over-aggresive shots at you to try to get you to fold when you are running real good. Kind of what I was thinking when faced with the turn decision in my post from yesterday (hand #3).
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Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
"For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. "
Hahahaha...after how many bets are we allowed to assume it's possible? |
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"For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. " Hahahaha...after how many bets are we allowed to assume it's possible? [/ QUOTE ] The 8d was exposed |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
If we're not assuming he has nuts because he simply can't, what's the question?
Stop raising when your arm falls off or he runs out of chips. Don't let him stop to think about what's going on. Spew as much as possible. |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
Ok I must have full blown FPS, because I just called, and the board paired on the end and it went check check (I was planning to CR) Afterwards I looked and it turned out the guy only had 5bb left, so even if my play might work some % of the time, the light at the end of the tunnel was quite dim for me.
Needless to say, this is never ever happening again. I'm used to playing either online where the betting is capped or in situations where people simply will not go multiple bets without the pure stones, so I wasn't quite sure what to do. I was talking with strictlystrategy the other day, and he was ranting about how if you have the nuts you always keep raising on 4th. I think there are in fact exceptions to that, but this wasn't one of them, and I was just being an experimental FPSey douchebarrel on this hand. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
Re: 15/30 -I dunno how to play the nuts.
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[ QUOTE ] For the sake of argument plz assume he never ever has a straight flush here. My Q is, do I keep going now, or do I spring to life on the river to confuse him and get the rest of his monies? [/ QUOTE ] God you are so terrible. Repost this in ultra-micro-Yen forums or something please. [/ QUOTE ] I loled so hard I fogged up my glasses. Yeah, just keep going, and fast, before he gets a chance to think about it. Also, because I don't think it got said anywhere else in the thread, a lot of cards kill your action on the river so there's another good reason (as if you needed one). |
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