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spigge 11-19-2007 05:28 AM

How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
What's your general range calling all-ins from unknown opponent?

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($27.25)
Hero ($215.52)
UTG ($193.96)
MP ($355.72)
Button ($239.84)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $31</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $355.72 (All-In)</font>, Hero ?

spigge 11-19-2007 05:34 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
And to add...

I have regular opponent who comes to NL200 table with 20$ and plays 18/18 and only action he does if he wants to play is all-in. He does this until triples and goes to other table.

What is my calling range against his all-in heads-up? and IP raising range?

elliot 11-19-2007 05:35 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
if you have to ask this question, then you shouldnt be re-raising him out of position in the first place, just call the raise and actually play poker.

the reraise is absolutely terrible, and you are begging to have the pot taken away from you by an aggressive player post flop.

elliot 11-19-2007 05:39 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
to add, the re-raise is only so terrible because you are playing a 100BB stack, if you were shorter or deeper the re raise is fine

Nick Royale 11-19-2007 05:41 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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the reraise is absolutely terrible, and you are begging to have the pot taken away from you by an aggressive player post flop.

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It's what? You're what?

ofishstix 11-19-2007 05:41 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
lolol! vs a guy who loves going all in, how can 3betting be bad here? it gives us a chance to get all in vs the overagg tard.

as far as my range for calling, it is pretty much every hand i 3bet him with. (im not saying call light, im saying you should be tight with 3bets vs him)

Merlinius 11-19-2007 05:55 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
If he is really moving all-in very often, this is an easy call. You are only behind against 2 hands (12 combinations total). This is nothing.

elliot 11-19-2007 05:58 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
if he has a problem when he gets re-raised OOP, then why even make it in the first place?

elliot 11-19-2007 05:59 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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lolol! vs a guy who loves going all in, how can 3betting be bad here?

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If he is really moving all-in very often, this is an easy call.

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What's your general range calling all-ins from unknown opponent?

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spigge 11-19-2007 06:03 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
Well did this post to get opinions how would other ppl play this. Would you 3-bet? if so would you call push? And not to get opinions of my play but seems that can't be avoided in these forums so bash away [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

And seems no one reads these posts thru [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] there are two diffent opponents I want comments on.

Lucky 11-19-2007 06:04 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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if you have to ask this question, then you shouldnt be re-raising him out of position in the first place, just call the raise and actually play poker.

the reraise is absolutely terrible, and you are begging to have the pot taken away from you by an aggressive player post flop.

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the reraise is not ideal, but a small rr doesn't cause this guy to go allin because he senses weakness in that small rr, lol.

Anywya, from unkwown allin, fold it up.

AlanDyer 11-19-2007 06:17 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
snap call or you are SO exploitable

woohoo88 11-19-2007 06:31 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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If he is really moving all-in very often, this is an easy call. You are only behind against 2 hands (6 combinations total). This is nothing.

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fyp/qft

Nick Royale 11-19-2007 06:38 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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If he is really moving all-in very often, this is an easy call. You are only behind against 13 hands (72 combinations total). This is nothing.

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fyp/qft

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Shizzle12345 11-19-2007 07:30 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
eh what 13 hands lol?

Daddy Warbucks 11-19-2007 07:32 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
All pocket pairs?

Daddy Warbucks 11-19-2007 07:34 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
Also, what the hell am i missing here? When did 3 betting and calling an all in from an unknown with AKs become bad?

clowntable 11-19-2007 07:51 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
AKs -&gt; 3bet + snapcall vs this villain
What you really want to do is play with pokerstove a little.
Use the hand you posted, give yourself the AK and guess what hands he'd go all in with.
Then check what equity you have and what odds you get on the call.

This should also answer the question about the shortstacker.

1o BoY 11-19-2007 09:19 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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to add, the re-raise is only so terrible because you are playing a 100BB stack, if you were shorter or deeper the re raise is fine

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L01

Suigin406 11-19-2007 10:22 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
if he does this all the time, how can we never 3bet this and try to get the money in the middle PF??

elliot 11-19-2007 10:36 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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And seems no one reads these posts thru [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] there are two diffent opponents I want comments on.


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the player i am advocating a flatcall against is a COMPLETE UNKNOWN

4_2_it 11-19-2007 10:40 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
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AKs -&gt; 3bet + snapcall vs this villain
What you really want to do is play with pokerstove a little.
Use the hand you posted, give yourself the AK and guess what hands he'd go all in with.
Then check what equity you have and what odds you get on the call.

This should also answer the question about the shortstacker.

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Well said. If I'm already HU or likely to be, I do not 3-bet AK here unless I am prepared to call a shove.

Daddy Warbucks 11-19-2007 10:45 AM

Re: How to deal with all-in happy players?
 
elliot, maybe you haven't heard, but AK is the nuts preflop!


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