tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
 

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PokerStars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>,

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you lose

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you lose

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Yeah probably, but more importantly what exactly do you think this bet means? could easily be a cheap semi bluff IMO but im not sure, hate it when people do this

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you lose

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Yeah probably, but more importantly what exactly do you think this bet means? could easily be a cheap semi bluff IMO but im not sure, hate it when people do this

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it means you lose.

I don't think the pot is big enough to do anything but fold here.

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I interpret this turn lead as something like BP/MP that wasn't strong enough to c/r the flop but now wants to charge flush draws, or a straight draw that picked up the flush draw too. something like Qs8c. I think a flush is possible some of the time too

hopefully villain will drop by at some point and enlighten us

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it means you lose.

I don't think the pot is big enough to do anything but fold here.


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Im not debating it, I fold here too we have a weak hand and no good redraws its a no brainer IMO. Im just curious how you intrepret his play here coz it confuses me when people take this line

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it means you lose.

I don't think the pot is big enough to do anything but fold here.


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Im not debating it, I fold here too we have a weak hand and no good redraws its a no brainer IMO. Im just curious how you intrepret his play here coz it confuses me when people take this line

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Right - I mean without a strong read (as in, villain is tilty/FPSy Heisenberg, which this isn't) fold is reasonably easy, but wtf does he have?

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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs

No c/r with fd on this flop? bs

No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs

This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards.

Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy".

Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold.

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Right - I mean without a strong read (as in, villain is tilty/FPSy Heisenberg, which this isn't) fold is reasonably easy, but wtf does he have?

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I dunno bro, confuses the [censored] out of me when good players do this.

Coming from a true donk ive noticed that it often means theyve turned a weak two pair but I really dont think thats the case here.

I would tend to agree with yourface I think his range is weighted towards pair/draw combos containing a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] which is why id usualy fold. Maybe some players do this with a naked [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I dont know.

Realy throws me off too when a good opponent takes his line, kinda annoys me...

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i usually raise here and usually lose.

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i always fold here and always lose.

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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs

No c/r with fd on this flop? bs

No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs

This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards.

Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy".

Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold.

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in my experience, when good players take a b/s line, its a reverse psychology kind of thing. They realize that they are doing something that is confusing, but they want you to call down or raise with the exact hand we have.

sure it could be a gutshot + turn flush draw, the only problem is, that hand has about 20 outs on us.

Pot is small, we barely hit it, I'm folding here.

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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs

No c/r with fd on this flop? bs

No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs

This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards.

Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy".

Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold.

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where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them

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Would you guys fold J9? KJ? A2?

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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs

No c/r with fd on this flop? bs

No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs

This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards.

Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy".

Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold.

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where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them

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a) nobody does that

b) if he do Seth would know.

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don't fold....

In general, this is a good line to take on boards where you want the the caller to catch something on the turn to pay you off.

On a board this drawy/high you do not need to at all... So there's not too much merit in playing anything but a bluff like that.
Plus if you have a draw, c/c the turn reveals a lot about your hand (gooddraw/pair)...

Basically this is a fastplay flop, so a c/c, then donk to me on a 3 spade turn is suspicious not as a monster..

I think youll see a gutshot + spade draw here a very high % of the time.

Fold river if board sraightens or spades..

I think the only hand id play like this is J4s and a gutshot with a spade draw.

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probably a multitable error... agree with hip - you lose; pot too small to draw

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probably a multitable error... agree with hip - you lose; pot too small to draw

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Well, what did you have then?

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Ok, so I guess it was me, didnt want to be presumptuous that I'm 'tough'.

Anyway, I vaguely remember a hand or two where I forgot the preflop/flop action and I probably had Ax, but I will check later. Its also somewhat possible that I chose to c/c a flush draw and I'm going for a b/3b.

I played like 9k hands over the weekend so everything is kind of a blur.

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mystery solved, yawn

POKERSTARS GAME #13308440252: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/11/17 - 23:40:01 (ET)
Table 'Crocus III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Dunpeal28 ($585 in chips)
Seat 4: Tryptamean ($1161 in chips)
Seat 5: sethypooh21 ($820 in chips)
Seat 6: dukenuka ($240.50 in chips)
luckyfen will be allowed to play after the button
Dunpeal28: posts small blind $5
boc4life: is sitting out
Tryptamean: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tryptamean [Ad 6h]
sethypooh21: raises $10 to $20
dukenuka: folds
Dunpeal28: folds
Tryptamean: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [9s Jd As]
boc4life leaves the table
Tryptamean: checks
sethypooh21: bets $10
Tryptamean: calls $10
*** TURN *** [9s Jd As] [4s]
Tryptamean: bets $20
sethypooh21 said, "hrmm"
TheVitruvian joins the table at seat #3
TheVitruvian is sitting out
sethypooh21 has timed out
sethypooh21: folds
sethypooh21 is sitting out
sethypooh21 has returned
Tryptamean collected $63 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $65 | Rake $2
Board [9s Jd As 4s]
Seat 2: Dunpeal28 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Tryptamean (big blind) collected ($63)
Seat 5: sethypooh21 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: dukenuka (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Seat 2: Dunpeal28 ($585 in chips)
Seat 4: Tryptamean ($1161 in chips)
Seat 5: sethypooh21 ($820 in chips)
Seat 6: dukenuka ($240.50 in chips)
luckyfen will be allowed to play after the button
TheVitruvian joins the table at seat #3


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lol, you guys have the worst table selection. Even if dukenuka is huge fish, vitruvian's obv gonna get all the money.